🤘 The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date. In the games manu

The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date. In the games manual/troubleshooting guide (pg54 in my copy) there is a section about using the devreorder tool. In there it mentions force feedback... but it's not really obvious that this part of the troubleshooting section is talking about fixing the enumeration issue. It also says to use the 32 bit DLL. I spent a good hour or two trying different things and could not get it to recognize the new device ordering. Then I noticed the exe is

Launcher64

Launcher64

so I thought to try the 64 bit DLL.. it worked.

My "test" mostly consisted of starting up the "first solo" training mission and making sure the game started a spring with 0 gain on the right device. I did briefly do an air start and saw I had spring force and felt some stall buffeting.

I don't know what other FFB gremlins may exist in the title.

NNumber481 🤘 The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date...

BOO•12/21/24, 8:27 AM

Oh there are many, many gremlins

like firing cannon, droppig bombs and your AI gunners firing all cut the spring FFB until you drop below 320 km/h where it renegages. or no FFB at all on spawn in. All for the devs to look at again now FFB is back in fashion. Removing VJoy from my PC and only having the Rhino connected worked (as predicted). I will suggest TFS look at the Rhino manual and edit their troubleshooting. Thank you again for jumoing on this. I realise Clod is not a popular title.

BOO•12/21/24, 1:24 PM

All of the above, by the way, is fixable with a little 30 second, pre session flight and a small "voodoo" routine. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/33014-adjusting-force-feedback-in-cliffs-of-dover-blitz/page/2/

IL-2 Sturmovik Forum

Adjusting Force Feedback in CLIFFS OF DOVER - BLITZ

Wyber Boyes•12/21/24, 4:32 PM

I've have got ffb working in BMS with another base but haven't tried the rhino yet (only got it a few days ago). You have to add a [ to the first line of the feedback.ini file so it looks like this [EffectData]. HAve a read through this thread: https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/28078/force-feedback-supported/6?_=1723363646322

Falcon BMS Forum

Force Feedback supported?

@airtex2019 If we are talking about FFB that has been integrated into the USB HID spec since the days of moving FFB away from joy ports and midi. Shared mem ...

Boo Berry•12/21/24, 7:17 PM

Hello all, i did an update for the first time since I received my rhino mid March 2024 and Im not really happy with the update v1.0.17b. The things that changed in feeling are the spring force and some little control bump that happens while flying. The spring force used to get so tight at 100% that I would never adjust the red knob that high but now I can and it feels less stiff. The second issue is as Im flying and turning there will be this little bump in the stick at which the force/push back drops back in resistance and then returns to normal. I didn't have any problems prior to doing an update. is there a way to go back to my original software that was in the stick when i got it or what can i change to make it back to the original feeling?

Cynemi•12/21/24, 7:36 PM

My stick keeps crashing and stops working mid flight. Everything is updated, what can I do to try to fix this?

CCynemi My stick keeps crashing and stops working mid flight. Everything is updated, wha...

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:55 PM

What do you call "crashing" ?

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:56 PM

What's say the debug message ?

DDracks What's say the debug message ?

Cynemi•12/21/24, 9:56 PM

How do you check this?

DDracks What do you call "crashing" ?

Cynemi•12/21/24, 9:56 PM

Stick dies, goes limp, inputs stop

CCynemi How do you check this?

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:57 PM

Debug page in vpforce configurator

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:58 PM

Its could be a power issue or a setting

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:59 PM

🧰support

Dracks•12/21/24, 9:59 PM

You can check here

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:00 PM

Sound strange tho, Im using the psu that came with it, and modest settings, very close to default

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:01 PM

debug page is empty for now, I guess I have to check when it happens

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:01 PM

Yep

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:02 PM

I'm not in front of my pc but you have the log too (check the manual for "how to")

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:02 PM

Cynemi•12/21/24, 10:04 PM

So you cant do it retractivly when ti happens? Beucase its very unpredicatble. Maybe once every two hours, and happens both with full force on stick and minimal force in cruise

CCynemi So you cant do it retractivly when ti happens? Beucase its very unpredicatble. M...

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:06 PM

From memory you can "start" a "log mode" in vp config. Me: i start the config when I play (and had issues) then it's already in the soft

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:06 PM

It's 2 different thing

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:07 PM

The debug page (1) and the logs

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:07 PM

Others could answer with better precision

Dracks•12/21/24, 10:09 PM

But if you loose the power (motor fault in the debug page) it's a power issue (not just your psu but other sources too) or a settings (Considering what you're describing, probably not that)

Mack•12/26/24, 4:47 AM

hey - i recently updated the firmware on the rhnio and now i'm having osme issues. i'm getting a pop up that my stick is detected and it wont go away. also, the usb event is causes my games to crash when it happens. i

Mack•12/26/24, 4:47 AM

is there a way to go back to the last firmware?

MMack hey - i recently updated the firmware on the rhnio and now i'm having osme issue...

LeLv30_Superbus•12/26/24, 8:55 AM

The pop up persistence is some kind of widget bug, a fix was found: 📃general
Sorry what USB event?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 1:57 AM

Hi everyone, I found that when flying the H145 the collective should be allowed to operate without the trim release being pressed. It seems from what I've been told by an H145 engineer that you are able to manually override without the use of the trim release and that the more you pull the harder it gets because it's a spring that is getting twisted, when you let go it will automatically go back to the previous position. What settings would I need to dial in to emulate this both in the VP Config and TelemFFB?

HH145Rotor-Sims Hi everyone, I found that when flying the H145 the collective should be allowed ...

Number481OP•12/27/24, 2:09 AM

Start here in the manual and let me know what further questions you have.

Google Docs

VPforce Rhino Manual

VPforce RHINO FFB User Manual Version 0.81 (WIP) Table of Contents 1. Welcome 1 2. Getting Started 3 2.1. Technical Specifications 4 2.2. Physical Setup 5 2.2.1. The VKB Adapter 6 2.2.2. The WinWing Adapter 6 2.2.3. The RHINO Throw Limiter Adapters 7 2.3. Initial Connection and Updating ...

HH145Rotor-Sims Hi everyone, I found that when flying the H145 the collective should be allowed ...

milliganjr•12/27/24, 2:42 AM

The collective essentially replicates the cyclic is one axis. With trim release pressed it will be dampened but easy to move. When released the new center will be updated. You will have a spring force when pushing or pulling through the trimmed position and if you release pressure it will return to the previous position. The collective and cyclic should never be stiff, even with upper modes engaged.

Number481OP•12/27/24, 2:46 AM

the way the collective is modeled, it requires TR to manipulate. That was my understanding from @exil35 when I was developing the code initially.

NNumber481 Start [here in the manual](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKH...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 2:47 AM

I've read through manual once again but I'm not finding the answer. What is see is "the trim release is required to operate the collective" I do not see any information about overpowering it without the use of the trim release button.
I'm also confused as to weather the force settings should be set in the VP Configurator or be zeroed out in vp Configuration and configured in telemffb with overrides?

NNumber481 the way the collective is modeled, it requires TR to manipulate. That was my un...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 2:50 AM

When I spoke to the engineer who works on the real H145 and an H145 pilot they both confirmed if needed you can operate the collective without the use of the trim release. You can pull it manually with about 8nm force but the more you pull the tighter it gets because you are pulling against a spring. You are able to do this in case the trim release fails

HH145Rotor-Sims When I spoke to the engineer who works on the real H145 and an H145 pilot they b...

Number481OP•12/27/24, 2:55 AM

I don't doubt you, and it makes logical sense. It's not implemented that way today though. Shouldn't be too hard to fix but will require a TelemFFB update.

re: your other question... there are no override effect settings (damper, friction, etc) you can set in TelemFFB that you can't also set in configurator. All the overrides in TelemFFB are there for convenience so you don't necessarily need separate configurator profiles per aircraft.

NNumber481 I don't doubt you, and it makes logical sense. It's not implemented that way to...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 3:00 AM

Someone on my YT channel noticed in my vid I couldn't move it and said you are supposed to. This lead me asking the pilot and engineer I know and they confirmed. I was looking in the settings and was trying to figure out what I could do but couldn't find a solution which lead me here.

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On the other question. Thank you for the clarification. I only fly the H145 so I'm not switching profiles so I imagine I don't need to use any overrides in telemffb since everything is stored in my controller via the settings I did in the vp config. Just got my cyclic put together so very excited to get that setup tomorrow.

HH145Rotor-Sims Someone on my YT channel noticed in my vid I couldn't move it and said you are s...

Number481OP•12/27/24, 3:16 AM

the only exception to the overrides being required are if you are using the low hydraulic pressure effect. But that is still a very rough feature (and Im not sure it will work with the 145 today)

NNumber481 the only exception to the overrides being required are if you are using the low ...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 3:25 AM

I don't have the low HYD enabled but I know how it's supposed to work. Similar to losing power steering in a car lol.

HH145Rotor-Sims Someone on my YT channel noticed in my vid I couldn't move it and said you are s...

Number481OP•12/27/24, 3:48 AM

I can send you a test build with this implemented. However, if ALT mode is engaged (

L:H145_SDK_AFCS_MODE_COLLECTIVE = 1

L:H145_SDK_AFCS_MODE_COLLECTIVE = 1

), the helicopter itself ignores the collective input unless TR is pressed. HPG would need to fix that if it is incorrect.

NNumber481 I can send you a test build with this implemented. However, if ALT mode is enga...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 3:50 AM

This would be good if it can be made to work because then I can make a video that shows the amazing support from the VP community. I've been trying to get as many people as possible to know more about Walmis and the amazing work he and everyone is doing.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 3:51 AM

One of my goals is get many more people using VP force motors and software

Mike T•12/27/24, 11:12 AM

I’ve flown quite a few 4-axis AFCS aircraft over past 20 yrs and they all behave very much the same……..the collective must be able to be moved and used without pressing in the FTR trigger regardless if upper pitch modes engaged or not…….this is a safety requirement for certification. Yes your arm will get tired so of course normally you use the FT system. Also these acft the main rotor (and T/R) are all dual independent hydraulic powered. Has to be…….if you lose all hydraulics to the MR you can kiss your backside goodbye……forever! So if you lose one hyd side you can continue to use the controls as if no hyd was lost……normally so. Now there are some heli that have only one hyd side to TR and so if one hyd system that powers the TR is lost then you can get real heavy pedal control……but these acft are usually 3 axis not 4 axis AFCS.
So would be nice to have this capability to manually move collective with FT engaged……just to make it realistic …..

MMike T I’ve flown quite a few 4-axis AFCS aircraft over past 20 yrs and they all behave...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 3:21 PM

Hi Mike, thanks for your insight on this. @Number481 is working on code in telemffb to have this feature and is currently testing it.

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 5:49 PM

Just got the cyclic up and running but I'm having an issue. I press the force trim reset and then the stick about 5 seconds later starts to fall forward and it's applying force. All I have on in my VP configurator is global master gain set to 90% spring 90%, effects are spring checked, adaptive re-centering both x y at 90%. In telem FFB I have force trim and force trim reset enables and assigned via loop back and it works. I have axis control on as well as axis control trim following. Not sure what's happening

smitty•12/27/24, 5:57 PM

ive never used force trim reset, i dont even have it bound. does a real heli have a reset?

Ssmitty ive never used force trim reset, i dont even have it bound. does a real heli ha...

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 5:58 PM

Yes the H145 has a force trim reset.

smitty•12/27/24, 6:00 PM

beats me, try these scenarios - 1. bound only in-game with hpg 2. bound only in telemffb. 3. bound both places

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 6:01 PM

Basically what is is when I'm sitting here in the heli and hit the trim release and put it to a new position it starts to fall forward

smitty•12/27/24, 6:02 PM

do you have some nonzero value for constant/ friction in configurator?

Ssmitty do you have some nonzero value for constant/ friction in configurator?

H145Rotor-Sims•12/27/24, 6:02 PM

Hmm that might be it

smitty•12/27/24, 6:05 PM

shouldnt need much, try starting with this

🤘 The "answer" is already documented... sort of... just poorly and out of date. In the games manu

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