Aawesome, thanks! how you liking the grip in general?
A(the 5 of us who have one will appreciate the update :KEK:)
FHonestly, you can definitely use a normal rhino with a desk mount. For a clear mind i would definitely add bottom supports if you do (extend the desk mount to contact the floor, through metal or (wooden) props) but it should work. If you have a wooden desk that is, wouldn't trust it with a cardboard one
FBut the forces between rhino and moza are basically the same
FAnd telemffb might also be the difference you're looking for, but I'm not sure how well that works with war thunder
GThank you for your valuable tips. The introduction of the FFB Telemetry mode is announced for the first quarter of this year, but I think it is a lot of work to extract the necessary telemetry data from the game that the game does not send, interference with the game code, the need to cooperate with Gaijin programmers, and they probably won't get away with it anytime soon, if it happens at all. Direct Input mode would be satisfactory for me at the moment and it seems to me that it would not require as much work as the Telemetry FFB mode, only probably some corrections, especially since it started working for me spontaneously for one day by a complete accident. Also for several other users. It seems to me that this is some trivial matter, a trivial thing. It's a pity that there is little or no interest in this topic from both Moza and Gaijin.
FAh no, I meant telemffb which is an additional program designed for the rhino. It adds effects that some Sims don't have by themselves, such as gun and flap vibration in the case of dcs.
GMy guess is that since these additional effects are not generated by the game in Direct Input mode, they are generated in external software such as telemffb based on telemetry data downloaded from the game in real time.
VI have my thoughts on Moza, but all I would say I am keeping it as a MFSSB.
VIn the meantime, reading the Rhino manual
NJust to clarify, TelemFFB has no support for WarThunder. Unsure if it even has usable telemetry export capabilities.
Y
YThe desktop mount works great for me
GI am aware of this. It sends some telemetry data, but not what is needed. It would probably be necessary to change something in the game code, so I don't think that, as Moza announced, they will do it in the first quarter of this year, i.e. within two months, especially if they have not yet managed to master the simpler Direct Input mode in this game.
GHow much money do you have to prepare for such a base, without a handle, without a stick - just the base with a power supply and the necessary cables and software, ready to connect the TM F-16C stick? What is the waiting time and the place of sending the shipment? Would I have to buy anything separately? Would I have to make any parts or assembly myself?
YThe motor kit cost 400 euros (BTW+shipping) from walmis and the rest of the parts are from Aliexpress which cost about 200euros (and Noctua fan & copper heatsink). The power supply is a 30 euros Dell laptop 180W power supply
YThe joystick parts I printed myself with a combination of PETG , -CF, and PLA does not cost that much in material. But it took me quite some time to print them one by one and assemble everything.
GThank you for this very detailed information. I will have to think about it, because if it were all available for purchase in one place and could be shipped abroad, there would be no problem, but since you have to assemble it all and find a 3D printing house with the appropriate material, there are stairs that may be difficult to overcome. If it was possible to apply the VP Force software to the AB9 device I already have, that would be perfect. But unfortunately it probably can't be done.
YI just DM you
TYou can buy already printed kits that come with all the hardware from members in this discord https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1286331895185150096/1286331895185150096
TThen you just need to purchase a motor kit from VPF and assemble. I think on these kits they may be sending them mostly pre assembled now.
Owoohoo. Just need a 5090 now... 
CI was at some point in the same Boat. Sold my AB9 and used the money to get a RhinoKIT. Because Credit where Credit is due. Without Walmis and the Guys behind TelemFFB, Moza wouldn't have a Business Case. The breaking Point is to get TelemFFB working with the AB9. And i think everyone who is sane would avoid that. Because as soon as you can connect the AB9 to telemFFB i think Moza will stall the development of the MozaCockpit Software. Seeing how they went almost 3 Months silent when they got stepped on thier toes for thier creative way in using Code and not honoring Licences that were and are in place. I would assume they would be rather happy by only supplying the Hardware....... Well now, if they had contributed their changes and interface from the AB9 to their Moza Cockpit (which is essential a beautied up TelemFFB) then maybe someone could have done the implementation and they could be happily printing money by providing decent Hardware at a decent price, without having to worry about a software Package. But they shot themselfes in the foot by not only scavange code they not fully understand, but also translating it to another Language to try to circumvent Licence and now they have to maintain this spaghetti of a code.
V@Chris "you can connect the AB9 to telemFFB" I can do that?!
CPlease read the whole Text. But TLDR for you: No you cant. And that will possibly not change in the forseeable future
VI have read it and if I have misunderstood, apologies
VI have no problem with that
FAdditionally, you could purchase a complete kit from walmis, lead time is down to ~90 days now
FIirc no assembly required. All the red names you see here purchased a full kit, the green ones a diy kit
OGot it today just set it up Sooooooo stoked thank you thank you 
V:package: 
RHINO #0891 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0891 Has Shipped!V:package: 
RHINO #0892 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0892 Has Shipped!
KSkål broder!
E
TRhino #1000 almost done! A milestone!
I suppose that Walmis will then release the long awaited MFG Crosswind FFB update kit
I suppose that Walmis will then release the long awaited MFG Crosswind FFB update kit
WVery stupid question but how do you make this go away?
WI'm clicking on the X but it refuses to leave.
AIf you bring up task manager and look for a process called like widgets or something, end task that process. It can get stuck sometimes. Annoyingly it will always come back usually close-able at least.
AI did post a workaround to have it never show, which worked for me, one sec, let me dig up the post
AI believe this is a different issue
LMy bad, You're absolutely right
ANo worries!
WMany thanks for your help gents. I'm very new to the rhino.
Vso with led support for virpil how do i enable the led?
RSelect color and click "apply settings" (plus "store settings" if you wanna keep it)
V:package: RHINO #0894 Has Shipped!
V:package: 
RHINO #0893 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0893 Has Shipped!OI haven't looked at the LED stuff. Is there any way to give Rhino software its normal level of control while letting VPLINK control the LEDs?