Cloudflare Developers•11mo ago

BYOIP could solve the issue, but I can't pay 1k

AAnay-208 Not exactly, but similar case for me. I'm not able to submit forms in my OWN si...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:26 PM

Well, at least it's only happening to you. Not my case, it's affecting hundreds of users

AAnay-208 ya, if I were you, I would have migrated without a second thought. For my curre...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:28 PM

The problem is that there's not any comparable alternative to Cloudflare with similar price, performance, etc.

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:29 PM

So I need to setup my own WAF and "trust" the hosting provider DDoS protection that is worse than the Cloudflare one

AAnay-208 If I were you, I'd just host my app on AWS, and get a cloudfront dedicated ip, w...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:31 PM

I can't pay 600$/month plus additional AWS charges

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:33 PM

Mainly because AWS gives you nothing for that price compared to other providers

AAnay-208 host in aws ec2 + get a static ip attach to load balancer and rely on AWS shield...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:36 PM

Maybe I will do a load balancer to a non-aws platform and use AWS as a proxy

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:36 PM

But the main thing I don't understand, is why Cloudflare (supposedly) isn't blocking the illegal content to avoid all that headache?

AAnay-208 There is a manual review requires to remove the illegal content, which cloudflar...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:39 PM

Well, I submitted some requests and they attended them. Slow, but made it.

AAnay-208 If I’m right, some cloudflare ips are blocked from a ISP which is making your do...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:40 PM

From multiple ISPs during football matches hours that are not using IPv6 so my domain is inaccessible from there.

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:41 PM

From what I understand the affected providers are the ones using IPv4 as those IPs are shared with a lot more websites

AAnay-208 $120 K / year to be paid annually with BYOIP included I heard from a blog

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:46 PM

That's 6 times my car

Peps•2/24/25, 2:48 PM

BYOIP is a bespoke feature which only a very small percentage of customers have a need for, so it kinda makes sense that it's pricing reflects that

PPeps BYOIP is a bespoke feature which only a very small percentage of customers have ...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:49 PM

Well, in Spain almost everyone will end up needing it (even free customers) if the blockings are kept

Peps•2/24/25, 2:49 PM

Cloudflare can't prevent Spain from shooting itself in the foot heh

Peps•2/24/25, 2:49 PM

think I did read them taking legal action though

Peps•2/24/25, 2:49 PM

so guess we'll see what happens

PPeps Cloudflare can't prevent Spain from shooting itself in the foot heh

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:50 PM

Maybe they could just block the illegal content

DD5 Maybe they could just block the illegal content

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:50 PM

But at least when I submitted reports they blocked it. So no idea then

AAnay-208 If the problem is just ipv6, using something else for DDoS protection is best op...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:51 PM

The problem is IPv4

DD5 Maybe they could just block the illegal content

Peps•2/24/25, 2:51 PM

I'm not sure about the specifics behind the entire thing, but it also seems weird that ISPs are required to ban entirely ip ranges instead of enforcing a DNS ban, which would be similarly effective while only affecting the listed sites

PPeps I'm not sure about the specifics behind the entire thing, but it also seems weir...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:53 PM

LaLiga (football company) made a lawsuit against Cloudflare, apple private relay and other VPNS because they were not blocking illegal footbal streaming/piracy.
The judge allowed them to require ISPs to block the needed IPs to prevent the piracy

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:54 PM

So from what I understand, basically LaLiga, sends to the ISP a list with Cloudflare IPs and when a football match starts, all websites go down.

AAnay-208 Oh wait so they only allow traffic to IPv6?

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:54 PM

Since Cloudflare has a lot more IPv6 IPs, it's more likely you're not using the same one as a pirate/illegal website

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:55 PM

So for example, in my case, the IPv4 assigned to my website gets blocked but I think the IPv6 doesn't.
So from what I understand that's the reason why my website is working on some ISPs

AAnay-208 It makes sense that they would block the whole ip as they are expecting the ip t...

D5OP•2/24/25, 2:56 PM

Yes, the problem is that the IP is being used by hundreds of websites. Yesterday, some people were not able to use ChatGPT