Given that the #pages-discussions channel is now archived, I presume that to be a tacit "Yes. Pages

Given that the #pages-discussions channel is now archived, I presume that to be a tacit "Yes. Pages are now deprecated" answer. Thank you, that is a very relevant reference in this light.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 8:24 AM

I genuinely wish I had been able to predict this deprecation of Pages into Workers Assets so many months ago when we designed our architecture... I did not realize how dependent we were on Pages specifically, and how disruptive it could be to lose the thing. I guess I knew that Pages have been running on Workers all along, so I didn't anticipate this could be so problematic, and I didn't think Cloudflare wouldn't have a migration guide at all in the event they decided to just end Pages, which they seem to be doing. I guess there was a reason it took Python 10+ years to deprecate Python 2.

We have an unconventional use case due to subdomains and DNS rules in coordination with Workers and Pages both and it's difficult to port without big effort, which we are having to undergo because we need to migrate to a separate account from the original developer's personal account. This is not a common use case in Cloudflare we are finding, or else there would be faculties for it. This seems like a strange oversight, to move a zone or site to a new account seems like it would be more common, but I can see how it's necessarily complex.

We are reconsidering Cloudflare dependency now. We are almost definitely not leaving Cloudflare, but it would be idiotic not to make a go-kit so to speak, and our CTO does have us pricing alternatives and designing migration and mitigation strategies. Uncertainty is bad. I can't place that blame on Cloudflare entirely maybe even at all, I simply don't know right now, but it's funny in the linked discussion there was a reference to bun 1.2 in the end there. And the argument against maintaining up to date bun support in Pages was that bun breaks backwards compatibility too frequently. I find that ironic in this case. I don't use bun for this reason, too.

Please forgive me if this is not relevant here, but it seemed directly relevant to discussion about Workers and Pages. I'm open to instruction and direction. Thank you.

xPaw•3/12/25, 11:51 AM

https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/runtime-apis/cache/#headers

Does cache.put support CDN-Cache-Control header (even when Cache-Control is present), or do I have to rewrite CDN-Cache-Control into Cache-Control on the response before putting it into cache (in a snippet)? docs aren't clear on this

Cloudflare Docs

Cache · Cloudflare Workers docs

Control reading and writing from the Cloudflare global network cache.

Walshy•3/12/25, 12:06 PM

Yes it should

RRobbBoss I genuinely wish I had been able to predict this deprecation of Pages into Worke...

Walshy•3/12/25, 12:08 PM

To be clear, Pages isn't going anywhere anytime soon and we will be making the migration between Pages -> Assets easier. A migration guide is in the works and we have no plans to make it a pain, we want to make it as easy as possible.

You can still make Pages projects on accounts today like you could before, you do not need to use Assets, we still see people onboard daily to Pages

RRobbBoss Given that the #pages-discussions channel is now archived, I presume that to be ...

Walshy•3/12/25, 12:10 PM

i wouldn't read into this, we did this for a 2 main reasons:

We are always looking to reduce our channel count - it's the #1 feedback item we get -- "There's too many channels, it's overwhelming"
We are aligning with how we as a platform are structing things, you will see we still have #pages-help and this is also Pages, we just dropped the whole dedicated section to align with the dashboard on a "Compute" section.

Walshy•3/12/25, 12:11 PM

we don't need a workers-discussions and pages-discussions under this section so we just aligned into one.

WWalshy Yes it should

xPaw•3/12/25, 12:13 PM

thanks, another quick q: it seems like workers have a rate limiting api available, but it needs to eb bound in wrangler config, so theres no way to get it in snippets?

Walshy•3/12/25, 12:13 PM

No, Snippets don't have access to bindings at all today

Walshy•3/12/25, 12:13 PM

You would need to use Rate Limit rules

xPaw•3/12/25, 12:13 PM

thats what i do

andifined.dev•3/12/25, 12:18 PM

Since yesterday we always get the error npm too many Open files when deploying using workers auto Build. What‘s curious, we deploy the same codebase to three different Environments but it happens only with one?

andifined.dev•3/12/25, 12:19 PM

Aren‘t able to deploy changes at the Moment.

WWalshy i wouldn't read into this, we did this for a 2 main reasons: 1. We are always lo...

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 12:41 PM

Thank you. I appreciate your insight and kind explanations. This makes sense.

James•3/12/25, 12:59 PM

Fwiw I would still encourage folks to use Assets wherever possible over Pages. Cloudflare will almost certainly never officially deprecate Pages - but you can already see it’s slowly being abandoned, with many bindings still not supported, and the build image tooling versions aging rapidly.

James•3/12/25, 1:00 PM

Pages isn’t going anywhere - but if you’re starting something new, use Assets if you want to play with anything new Cloudflare is releasing. I’d be very surprised if any new bindings get added to Pages at this point.

JJames Pages isn’t going anywhere - but if you’re starting something new, use Assets if...

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:00 PM

This effectively confirms that we have to re-tool.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:01 PM

I eagerly anticipate the migration guide. Our project is DOA without it. We have to find a platform asap.

James•3/12/25, 1:01 PM

If what you have today works, you don’t need to. But if you’re looking to use anything new that Cloudflare releases in future, then Pages is not a good choice today sadly.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:02 PM

We put months of work into Pages. It's not future proof anymore, you just confirmed. We cannot launch on it.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:03 PM

Our project is DOA today. We must find a new and more stable platform. It will be Workers if we can figure it out. But if we have to rebuild, well, that is a cost and we will look for stability.

James•3/12/25, 1:03 PM

Sorry, that’s the reality of Pages today. It’s stable and highly functional with the features it has. But it has already been lagging behind Workers and I don’t anticipate that changing.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:04 PM

No, that's fine, it's true. I lamented using Pages to start. I didn't want to, but it was the direction we were pushed in, by Cloudflare's documentation.

James•3/12/25, 1:05 PM

Fwiw moving to Assets should be relatively straightforward. Functions aren’t a thing (which imo is a good move, they were always a weird Pages only thing), but static assets, _headers, _redirects etc. all exist now.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:07 PM

It's weird. There's some build configuration issue. You can replicate it easily. Create a new project on Pages using Astro. set it up so that it builds on push to Github. Then, use that repository as a Workers Assets project. There is no way you can configure it, that I have found in code or admin, that will build.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:08 PM

Surely there is a way, I just haven't found it

James•3/12/25, 1:08 PM

I don’t believe the Astro Cloudflare Pages adapter will work on Assets, but there’s an Astro adapter for Assets I believe

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:08 PM

Oof. But! You can create a new Workers Assets project in the CF Admin, and push that to github, and then it will automagically build an Astro site every time you push to Github, just like with a Pages project.

James•3/12/25, 1:09 PM

Try this: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/frameworks/framework-guides/astro/

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:09 PM

Yes, that is the guide I am referencing

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:10 PM

That is how you get a fresh working Workers Assets Astro build, yes. That is good. How do you make a Pages Astro site do that?

JJames I don’t believe the Astro Cloudflare Pages adapter will work on Assets, but ther...

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 1:21 PM

So this is insightful, thank you. I'm a little at a loss as I seek to understand which adapter that is for Assets versus the common adapter for Pages. I think this could be key to making this work, however, and I'd be happy to contribute back to the guide if we can make this work somehow.

xPaw•3/12/25, 1:34 PM

Is the workers/snippets cache shared with the main cf http caches, or are they keyed differently internally?

steyblind•3/12/25, 2:28 PM

How are folks here leveraging preview + production builds as 'staging' envs? Is that realistic? bonus: different env vars for preview vs production workers deployments?

RRobbBoss So this is insightful, thank you. I'm a little at a loss as I seek to understand...

Silvan•3/12/25, 3:22 PM

im surprised by your experience. i moved a sveltekit project from pages to assets with less than 10 lines of code

Silvan•3/12/25, 3:23 PM

but yea the adapter naming is a bit weird now. for worker assets on sveltekit you still use the pages adapter. not the worker one

Ssteyblind How are folks here leveraging preview + production builds as 'staging' envs? Is ...

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 3:24 PM

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm doing. Env vars for environments

SSilvan but yea the adapter naming is a bit weird now. for worker assets on sveltekit yo...

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 3:25 PM

Wild. I bet it's similar for Astro. I just can't find the worker adapter that's special. I might be special, too

RRobbBoss Wild. I bet it's similar for Astro. I just can't find the worker adapter that's ...

Silvan•3/12/25, 3:25 PM

well in my case i created a brand new project using worker assets and just compared it to my pages project

SSilvan well in my case i created a brand new project using worker assets and just compa...

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 3:26 PM

Right, yeah, that's pretty much been my workflow, too.

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 3:26 PM

It's currently how I'm troubleshooting anyhow

Silvan•3/12/25, 3:26 PM

i really didnt need to change anything other than addming a wrangler file and on the dash add a npm run build on the build step

RobbBossOP•3/12/25, 3:29 PM

Hrm. Yeah, the weird thing is that when I make everything match between the working Assets and the migrated one, I still can't build the formerly Pages project on Assets. Nothing works. And this is true if I do it from scratch and try to migrate, too.

Silvan•3/12/25, 3:30 PM

let me give it a try

Zire•3/12/25, 3:57 PM

Quick question for all, is there any good documentation on how to setup authentication for a pages site, I want to create an admin dashboard using a subdomain to handle some things and want it to be authenticated through google account, no idea how to get started on this I assume some use of functions

ZZire Quick question for all, is there any good documentation on how to setup authenti...

Silvan•3/12/25, 3:58 PM

check out better-auth. works on cf with d1

Zire•3/12/25, 3:59 PM

Is it possible to use kv instead of d1?

Silvan•3/12/25, 4:00 PM

probably not

Chaika•3/12/25, 4:06 PM

KVs not really built for that sort of use, with eventual consistency and caching

Zire•3/12/25, 4:06 PM

I saw something about cloudflare access as a no code solution, has anyone tried this?

Silvan•3/12/25, 4:59 PM

maybe a bit biased place to ask but has anyone read the cloudflare infra book there is? i will likely build a lot more backend things soon and im very tempted

Given that the #pages-discussions channel is now archived, I presume that to be a tacit "Yes. Pages

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