Organic , Isomers

there was a question for counting no of structures , she counted both trans as seprate , why? both trans are the same if one is up and other is down why does it matter both groups are the same

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GGamertug there was a question for counting no of structures , she counted both trans as s...

Opt•5/2/25, 12:14 PM

The groups on carbons can be diff

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:14 PM

no stereo matters

OOpt The groups on carbons can be diff

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

they arnt in the question

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

those are CH3

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

when there are different structures possible in the compund

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

for stereo

SSephrina when there are different structures possible in the compund

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

there should only be 2 , Cis and Trans

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

why 2 in trans

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

both trans are same

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

here there are total 3

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

see the spaatial orentation

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:15 PM

the wedge and dash

SSephrina the wedge and dash

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

why does it matter , the molecule looks symmetric to me , which is wedge which is dash why would it matter

GGamertug they arnt in the question

Opt•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

Just a moment. Why are there only three bonds on each carbon? Or is the hydrogen implied?

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

they both the first carbon from O

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

in cis there is either only dash and dash or wedge and wedge so thts one

OOpt Just a moment. Why are there only three bonds on each carbon? Or is the hydrogen...

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

hydrogen implied

GGamertug why does it matter , the molecule looks symmetric to me , which is wedge which i...

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

cuz its 2d to you

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:16 PM

but its actually 3d

GGamertug why does it matter , the molecule looks symmetric to me , which is wedge which i...

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

wedge and dash matters in spatial orentation

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

pretty sure oxygen and carbons in same plane

Opt•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

They're identical unless the carbons are unique then.

GGamertug pretty sure oxygen and carbons in same plane

Opt•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

Yup

OOpt They're identical unless the carbons are unique then.

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

there was no specification , do i send question

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

yeah

Opt•5/2/25, 12:17 PM

Wait a sec

Opt•5/2/25, 12:18 PM

Ok, they're unique.

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:18 PM

Opt•5/2/25, 12:18 PM

You can think about flipping the compound

Opt•5/2/25, 12:18 PM

It won't give the other one

OOpt It won't give the other one

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:18 PM

still , if one CH3 is above plane and other is Behind Plane why would it matter

GGamertug still , if one CH3 is above plane and other is Behind Plane why would it matter

Opt•5/2/25, 12:19 PM

Because the RS config is different

Opt•5/2/25, 12:19 PM

Check that, I think it'll be the opposite

Opt•5/2/25, 12:19 PM

Absolute config when you're not sure

GamertugOP•5/2/25, 12:19 PM

wait lemme check RS

Sephrina•5/2/25, 12:20 PM

uhm u can think like this that in the explatation given it is that in cis try to think as 3d
the wedge is atom towards u and dash is away so its either both towards u or both away so thts one compound and
in trans there are right left atleration of wedge and dash so two differnt compounds
im sure u know about chiral and non chiral the whole mirroring thingy so think using that