NI would like a place for folks to be able to provide feedback on the changes we are proposing.
Currently as it stands, Bluefin will continue to exist in its own server. Aurora is looking at coming back to the Universal Blue Discord server to provide discoverability for the project and to provide cross pollination of development contribution between Bazzite and Aurora.
Currently as it stands, Bluefin will continue to exist in its own server. Aurora is looking at coming back to the Universal Blue Discord server to provide discoverability for the project and to provide cross pollination of development contribution between Bazzite and Aurora.
NMoving forward, more discussions will be happening on Github if there are fixes or items that can help all images involved.
ASo, essentially we need to decide whether its more beneficial for aurora to stay on this server or split off. I am going to list some points about it
AFor splitting off
Benefits:
1) Aurora gets their own server, mods, and they can do what they want
2) Bazzite gets the same, and can expand to include e.g., more manufacturer channels and roles
3) There is less need for consensus moving forward for both projects
Drawbacks:
1) Reduces visibility of aurora, which will hurt the project's growth over the next year
2) Halves the contributor pool that actively reviews bazzite
3) Futher divides the universal blue community to the point where its essentially every project for itself
Benefits:
1) Aurora gets their own server, mods, and they can do what they want
2) Bazzite gets the same, and can expand to include e.g., more manufacturer channels and roles
3) There is less need for consensus moving forward for both projects
Drawbacks:
1) Reduces visibility of aurora, which will hurt the project's growth over the next year
2) Halves the contributor pool that actively reviews bazzite
3) Futher divides the universal blue community to the point where its essentially every project for itself
AFor staying together:
Benefits:
1) We maintain more collaboration, and perhaps start to integrate more common technology between Aurora and Bazzite
e.g., if Aurora adopts the bazzite kernel we get more testing done and we can simplify akmods or pursue a secure boot key under the universal blue umbrella
2) We keep boosting Aurora growth and try to differentiate it to be more for traditional e.g., work computers
Drawbacks:
1) We will need more consensus between the two images
2) If Aurora grows a lot, we might get into the same situation
3) Discord will be a bit cramped and even though we can have more channels, there will be a limit to this
Benefits:
1) We maintain more collaboration, and perhaps start to integrate more common technology between Aurora and Bazzite
e.g., if Aurora adopts the bazzite kernel we get more testing done and we can simplify akmods or pursue a secure boot key under the universal blue umbrella
2) We keep boosting Aurora growth and try to differentiate it to be more for traditional e.g., work computers
Drawbacks:
1) We will need more consensus between the two images
2) If Aurora grows a lot, we might get into the same situation
3) Discord will be a bit cramped and even though we can have more channels, there will be a limit to this
Athose are my thoughts, gonna grab a painkiller. Discuss
NBased on the feedback in the channel from Aurora, @bsherman @j0rge @Kyle Gospo and myself, we want Aurora ( @ledif @inffy @Niklas 
) to make that decision and they had the most interest in moving back to this server. It is pretty clear most of the folks involved would prefer it this way.
) to make that decision and they had the most interest in moving back to this server. It is pretty clear most of the folks involved would prefer it this way.NIf I am misquoting anyone, please feel free to correct me.
Aits also a bazzite decision, because we are also foregoing having our own server
Awhich affects us too
Aessentially either project gets to veto coming back together
Awe both need to agree to have a common server
Nfair point. I don't think we get enough value from having a separate discord server and Kyle and I were -1 on splitting in the first place.
NZeglius was also -1
Athe server having the name bazzite will benefit us somewhat. Which is why I said I am pretty split. I could go either way
Ae.g. we dont have manufacturer channels \
ZCount me as 0
NKeep in mind Cayo also exists on this server which essentially means we would have to kick them off if this was a Bazzite only server. So it does effect them as well.
Aif we separate, a new ublue will become the common server and i expect a lot of contributorsr from either side to not be in all three servers
Aso cayo is not affected much
Aand from what i heard, when it comes to cayo everyone agrees either is a tossup
NMy thought is let us revisit the need for a separate discord server later down the line.
NI would like to get the governance for Bazzite sorted first and foremost.
Ai think bluefin leaving kind of necessitates we make a decision soon
NIf Aurora comes back the only "change" made was Bluefin leaving.
Nand additional channels for Aurora.
Ayes, bluefin wants to advocate for itself
Awhich is ok
Abut that means that we as a community, Bazzite and Aurora, need to decide how much married to each other we will be moving forward
Jwhy? the only people who care is us lol
NUniversal Blue is a community, so in a sense we are all working towards a common goal.
Aif everyone does their thing kind of but not really
RI don't quite understand why any of this forces a decision to be made imminently.
The Bluefin channel has been moved elsewhere, but the rest remains the same (assuming Aurora decides to move back, which should be their choice).
As to what Bazzite wants to do longer term, that's something completely different, and hasn't even been discussed yet (or was a -1 from what Noel was saying).
The Bluefin channel has been moved elsewhere, but the rest remains the same (assuming Aurora decides to move back, which should be their choice).
As to what Bazzite wants to do longer term, that's something completely different, and hasn't even been discussed yet (or was a -1 from what Noel was saying).
NRight. I am strongly opposed to more changes. Especially given that Aurora wants to come back to this server.
NBazzite gets benefits by Aurora being here.
JIdk if my opinion counts for much but making the ublue server small and having a large bazzite server makes sense to me. I thought Aurora and Bluefin had the synergy as things are often cross-PR'd but y'all are saying aurora and bazzite do
NI would argue the same for Bluefin, but that ship has sailed and I'm not going to force that.
Jpeople keep saying that but I haven't seen a link to anything that shows that
Jif you look at the last PRs between aurora and bluefin it's clear that we're talking because they're usually the same
Aaurora spun off from bluefin
Aso yeah
NI don't really feel like I need to call for a vote, but do I need to for settling this?
NI'm very tired of talking about this.
Awe need to have a discussion first
Nwe just did.
Ai said my story
Anow aurora contributors need to do the same
NThey just did in the call we had.
Jyeah how did we end up from concensus to having more questions? we settled this lol
RAurora has to make the decision whether to move back if they wish. The only change is Bluefin...
