yes, but there is no expectation of what a CPU means on DO, look at digitalocean container pricing

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:04 AM

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Ppandalambda2 yes, but there is no expectation of what a CPU means on DO, look at digitalocean...

Jadugar_Jaggu•9/7/25, 8:04 AM

I don't get it, are you saying cloudflare containers have more performance over digital?

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:06 AM

not necessarily at any particular moment. but they have stable baseline, you have an expectation, for example a core on EC2 is expected to deliver stable performance comparable to 1.6ghz xeon core 24/7, whilst a DO core might give something resembling 4ghz but then when barry runs his video encoding you get 400mz

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:06 AM

mhz *

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:06 AM

if you really want an eye opener go look at a lowendtalk.com you get 50 cores for 5usd

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:07 AM

but it means absolute nothing, just trash

Ppandalambda2 not necessarily at any particular moment. but they have stable baseline, you hav...

Jadugar_Jaggu•9/7/25, 8:09 AM

If that the case then which service is in comparison of cloudflare containers, if not DO

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:10 AM

aws fargatye

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:10 AM

gcp cloudrun

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:10 AM

digitalocean container platform

Jadugar_Jaggu•9/7/25, 8:10 AM

When I see 0.0625 vCPU, the first thought that pops into my mind is whether it’s actually capable or even worth trying, lol

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:10 AM

linode managed kubernetes

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:11 AM

azure has one too

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:11 AM

if you want to burden of managing a firecracker host too then you can look at vultr and linode but at their dedicated cpu plans

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:14 AM

2 prime examples, contabo and php-friends come up regularly, they have a physical node with maybe 96 cores, but they sell maybe 9600 cores per 1u machine and hope that usage patterns means they dont have too much churn

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:14 AM

its a minefield of fraudulent marketing

Jadugar_Jaggu•9/7/25, 8:17 AM

Thanks for info. I was thinking to shift my workloads to cloudflare containers. But I am not able to compare between other site's vcpu and cloudflare's vcpu. Currently i am using OVH, 8 GB ram, 4vcpu

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:18 AM

I'm not too familar with OVH's current offering, but unless the cores are advertised as dedicated then you don't have an expectation of a baseline, could be good in the morning and crap at night, etc.. and the sad thing is now some hosts like contabo and php-friends have hijacked the terminology of dedicated to mean something else (i.e. it isn't dedicated)

pandalambda2OP•9/7/25, 8:21 AM

you're best moving a test workload and doing some load testing to understand how your app performs, you probably need a fraction of what OVH offers if OVH vcpus are completely undefined

khangal•9/7/25, 7:05 PM

I tried to deploy container with official container template using account api token. Token has containers edit permission. But pnpm run deploy is failing with message saying i need “containers:write” permission. I’m confused. It’s 5$ paid account.

Ppandalambda2 doesn't wordpress require mysql too? so you need something like planetscale (db)...

gruntlord6•9/8/25, 1:56 AM

they have a wip sqlite adapter but yes, the base install would need to be on mysql and migrated

Kkhangal I tried to deploy container with official container template using account api t...

gruntlord6•9/8/25, 1:57 AM

its an api token permission you need to enable

Ggruntlord6 they have a wip sqlite adapter but yes, the base install would need to be on mys...

pandalambda2OP•9/8/25, 2:49 AM

even if its compatible with D1 you'll have all sorts of eventual consistency issues since with containers as you'd have to use the D1 rest API which doesn't support sessions, so any parts are fast moving - comments and reactions then it's going to run like reddit on a bad day

Ppandalambda2 even if its compatible with D1 you'll have all sorts of eventual consistency iss...

gruntlord6•9/8/25, 3:28 AM

Couldn't the durable objects be used to save to d1 or its own SQL?

pandalambda2OP•9/8/25, 3:46 AM

yeah I guess so but it's a lot of work - youll need to write your own wordpress persistence adapter too i guess - instead of just banging it on fly.io or fargate,

pandalambda2OP•9/8/25, 3:47 AM

your own sqlite as in pull it in from r2 each time the container starts and push it back to r2 on each important write and/or periodically feels hacky as hell too, and of course you're limited to 1 instance

pandalambda2OP•9/8/25, 3:49 AM

i just don't think CF are (or ever have been with any of their compute products) interested in capturing the legacy app market such as php/mysql apps of yonder years, even with containers, more aimed at 12 factor apps, and whilst some people have done some sick stuff to to lift legacy apps like wordpress, joomla, magento into this new world it's just a terrible fit imo.

pandalambda2OP•9/8/25, 3:53 AM

and a shrinking market too, a new kid 10 years ago might be pirating cuteftp and throwing up a php apps on some cpanel disaster, where as now they're more likely to be using claude, copilot, or loveable and spitting out some isomorphic javascsript/tyepscript app onto vercel, cf, aws, etc..

Ppandalambda2 your own sqlite as in pull it in from r2 each time the container starts and push...

gruntlord6•9/8/25, 11:29 AM

Well the durable object is persistent right?

Ppandalambda2 i just don't think CF are (or ever have been with any of their compute products)...

gruntlord6•9/8/25, 11:32 AM

I personally switched to astro for that reason but I'm sure many people are unwilling or unable to do so. Once there's official out of the box SQLite support for WordPress I'm pretty confident it would be simple to make it work with d1/durable objects, right now there's a lot more involved since it's early access and not supported out of the box

Ggruntlord6 Well the durable object is persistent right?

pandalambda2OP•9/8/25, 12:16 PM

yes, but then you need a custom wordpress persistence adapter to talk to the DO via http or websockers, sqlite in is in-process - its not like postgresql / mysql where you can just change from localhost to another ip/hostname, so it needs to be in the container if you plan to use I presume the default wordpress support for sqllite, and then managing that persistence yourself to me sounds a challenge I'd rather do without. let see, maybe wordpress come out with CF first-class support, it would be smart (after years of bad decisions)

pandalambda2OP•9/9/25, 1:09 AM

nope, radio silence out of CF, no clarification on even egress yet..

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Isaac McFadyen•9/9/25, 8:29 PM

You asked less than 24h ago? There's still no news.

TangoBee•9/9/25, 9:16 PM

how can we start cloudflare container instance directly from the cloudflare dashboard?

IIsaac McFadyen You asked less than 24h ago? There's still no news.

gruntlord6•9/10/25, 2:42 AM

even if it wasn't that soon theres been no chatter here, I am sure we would be talking about it if they had added something like that

TTangoBee how can we start cloudflare container instance directly from the cloudflare dash...

gruntlord6•9/10/25, 2:42 AM

you don't, they spin up with the durable object

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Isaac McFadyen•9/11/25, 1:09 AM

I'm not sure how this is a dead chat?

Isaac McFadyen•9/11/25, 1:09 AM

Just because there are no changes to autoscaling behavior in the last 2 days does not make it a dead chat

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1984 Ford Laser•9/11/25, 3:06 AM

feel free to build your own auto-scaling behaviour, you could piece something together within 24 hours so then we don't have to suffer through more spam from you each day

11984 Ford Laser feel free to build your own auto-scaling behaviour, you could piece something to...

ToonyGen•9/11/25, 4:02 PM

I cleaned up the chat messages. I just email to Matthew Prince. If he reads, we might get some update sooner.

Tim•9/13/25, 4:24 AM

Hi, has anyone been able to do a performance benchmark of so go running in a worker container vs a typescript worker (non container)? I love golang, and if I'm able to utilise go through a container and be able to take advantage of it's compiled state. I would prefer this if it's more performant then using the typescript workers.

Tim•9/13/25, 5:54 AM

Oh, i've just realised technically, the container is not directly exposed to the interwebs. It's actually going through a worker.

Is there any intention to expose it directly down the road? And also expose the other services in cloudflare to the container, like DO, workers AI, etc?

TTim Oh, i've just realised technically, the container is not directly exposed to the...

Chaika•9/13/25, 6:07 AM

Perf isn't great right now due to it going Worker -> Durable Object -> Container, so it goes all the way through the different layers. Workers aren't really going to be the bit slowing it down though, a few ms at most.
I think this is just going to come down to the same stuff as where you should use WASM in Workers, which is that for workloads which are resource/cpu bound it may make sense to reach for something that could be more efficient/already warmed up/etc (container), but otherwise Workers are silly quick, espec for simple stuff

Chaika•9/13/25, 6:10 AM

There's other more interesting stuff which you would get with longer running instances like Containers like database connection pooling and being close to origin for many calls back and forth, which CF has aimed to solve in Workers direct with different ways like Hyperdrive and Smart Placement

Tim•9/13/25, 8:29 AM

Indeed. We would have websockets and I was thinking of taking advantage of both go's concurrency and websocket connections where speed could be beneficial if there is a minor gain.

To that end, how does the WASM go compare to the worker operating directly out of curiosity - if someone has done any benchmarks.

Steps•9/14/25, 4:33 PM

The docs on https://developers.cloudflare.com/containers/ are outdated.

The sample JavaScript doesn't compile and the TOML has with instancesinstances a deprecated property.

I try to find out how a minimalistic index.js & TOML must look like to fire up my Docker contaner

CChaika There's other more interesting stuff which you would get with longer running ins...

Steps•9/14/25, 4:36 PM

I guess containers are also interesting where there is a lack of support in JavaScript.
I'm working on a worker that uploads to an external S3 - AI attempts to generate complicated stuff to do the signing.

Steps•9/14/25, 4:39 PM

The new samples are all index.ts (typescript) and jsonc instead of TOML. I want it easier.

Steps•9/14/25, 4:45 PM

The TOML is invalid as it lacks a compatibility date

udidu•9/15/25, 12:12 PM

The image_vars doesn't seems to work.
When I try to use it, the Dockerfile can't see the values of the build args.

For examle, this is how I setup my container inside wrangler.jsonc

        {
            "max_instances": 3,
            "name": "my-services-container",
            "class_name": "MyServicesContainer",
            "image": "./my-services-container/Dockerfile",
            "instance_type": "standard",
            "image_vars": {
                "NPM_TOKEN": "MY_NPM_TOKEN_SECRET"
            }
        }

        {
            "max_instances": 3,
            "name": "my-services-container",
            "class_name": "MyServicesContainer",
            "image": "./my-services-container/Dockerfile",
            "instance_type": "standard",
            "image_vars": {
                "NPM_TOKEN": "MY_NPM_TOKEN_SECRET"
            }
        }

In my Dockerfile I use

ARG NPM_TOKEN

# Install dependencies first
RUN npm install

ARG NPM_TOKEN

# Install dependencies first
RUN npm install

The wrangler deploy fails on the npm install part: unauthenticated: User cannot be authenticated with the token provided.

However, when I set the token value manually inside my Dockerfile it works:

ARG NPM_TOKEN=MY_NPM_TOKEN_SECRET

# Install dependencies first
RUN npm install

ARG NPM_TOKEN=MY_NPM_TOKEN_SECRET

# Install dependencies first
RUN npm install

yes, but there is no expectation of what a CPU means on DO, look at digitalocean container pricing

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