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VVladinsky Wether it's right depends on the actual helicopter, all of the DCS helicopters m...

Mike (Mugs)•5/31/22, 9:23 AM

the actual helicotpers use a magnetic trim lock

walmis•5/31/22, 9:23 AM

Oh man you have a gold mine of info

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:23 AM

The magnetic brake locks a spring cartridge, the spring cartridge is attached to the control rods

VVladinsky The magnetic brake locks a spring cartridge, the spring cartridge is attached to...

Mike (Mugs)•5/31/22, 9:24 AM

did some work on merlin sim, stick feel had great enertia and damping feel

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:26 AM

It would depend on the helicopter

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:28 AM

Mike (Mugs)•5/31/22, 9:30 AM

talks about the feel required https://youtu.be/Ki4Z_1n7sis

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VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:38 AM

I don't know anything about the enstrom but from his trim video it sounds like a spring cartridge with actuator trim system

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:38 AM

https://youtu.be/2JJr5IemhAQ

YouTubeRotornut

Hiller cyclic trim motor test.

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:38 AM

Like this

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:51 AM

This is the trim system from a Mi-8 but it also functionally represents how the UH-1, Mi-24, Ka-50 and AH-64D works. With some nuance obviously. https://youtu.be/77lKeLF5Rto

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тест механизмов загрузки

Тест работы механизмов загрузки и органов управления для домашнего кокпита вертолета. РЦШ и педали с ми-8, ШГ с ми-6.

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 9:53 AM

What he's missing is the inertia from the control rods up to the servo boosters and probably a damper somewhere in the control run

Mike (Mugs)•5/31/22, 9:58 AM

@Vladinsky the brunner acts the same way as your like this video the trim moves the stick position

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 10:02 AM

So speaking of, if we ever get a helicopter in DCS with a friction only cyclic like a Bell 505 or H.125. It'd be really cool if the friction collar in game actually adjusted the FFB friction.

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 10:03 AM

Although I believe force trim might simply be an optional extra on purchase.

VVladinsky So speaking of, if we ever get a helicopter in DCS with a friction only cyclic l...

walmis•5/31/22, 10:05 AM

That would be hard to implement, since directinput FFB has arbitrary units, and with various FFB devices out there, there would be a need to have profiles and tunables.

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 10:06 AM

I feared as much

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 10:11 AM

How does the Rhino handle the high inertia of a warthog grip? I'd probably use my hornet grip once I can get my hands on a base but that's still fairly heavy.

Jotaele•5/31/22, 10:11 AM

Hi guys! @walmis really excited about this project. I've been following it for a while on the DCS forums. Long time FFB user here and have been waiting for something like Rhino for the last decade. XD.
Also this conversation and info here is gold.
Here is some RL trimer action Mi-24 following the examples you guys brought here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kC3tWzwD_A

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Trimmer in Mi-24

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Eagle dynamic potwierdził że jedenym z modułów będzie
Mi-24 HIND.
To krótkie proste wideo pokazuje, jak działa trymer w kokpicie
Mi-24.
Istnieją dwa sposoby tradycyjnego trymowania - CHINA HAT - przycisk 4 kierunkowy i przycisk elektromagnesu .
Jest także pozane działanie dzwigni skok- moc. Sprzęgło hydrauliczne uruchamia się za pomocą p...

VVladinsky How does the Rhino handle the high inertia of a warthog grip? I'd probably use m...

walmis•5/31/22, 10:16 AM

I don't see any problems, you can tweak damping to prevent it from oscillating. I have a TM Viper, which is fairly heavy too. You can see the response from max deflection when activating it in my video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbVgBk28JVY&t=41s

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VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 10:17 AM

Oh that looks really good

VladinskyOP•5/31/22, 10:18 AM

I think the viper grip is just a rebranded warthog

JJotaele Hi guys! @walmis really excited about this project. I've been following it for a...

Flashgod_VR•5/31/22, 4:18 PM

the video shows exactly what the Rhino will do out of the box.

FEVER 1-1 | FZG_Immel•5/31/22, 8:03 PM

hey. I saw your video on youtube and contacted you there. I am interested in ordering/purchasing a complete unit. I it works with the FCLS stick from thrustmaster. I suppose it would also work with the Hornet stick ?

FFEVER 1-1 | FZG_Immel hey. I saw your video on youtube and contacted you there. I am interested in ord...

walmis•6/1/22, 11:25 AM

Hi, yeah Thrustmaster grips will work out of the box. You can DM me for details for the preorder

harry•6/1/22, 11:32 AM

Hi walmis, is it possible to fly with the stick turned around 180 degrees when you look from above? I think than the stick could be nearer to the seat.

Hharry Hi walmis, is it possible to fly with the stick turned around 180 degrees when y...

walmis•6/1/22, 11:34 AM

Hi, yeah it's possible to invert the axes, @flashgod_vr did that setup, turned around 180 degrees.

harry•6/1/22, 11:35 AM

Thank you!

Flashgod_VR•6/1/22, 2:03 PM

harry•6/1/22, 2:23 PM

Cool thanks @flashgod_vr

walmis•6/3/22, 5:59 AM

Made some progress on a VKB adapter, gonna order those mini contact PCBs with the next order.

Vulkan•6/3/22, 6:58 AM

No way thats great!

Wwalmis Made some progress on a VKB adapter, gonna order those mini contact PCBs with th...

Vulkan•6/3/22, 6:59 AM

Any details on how much this will cost?

walmis•6/3/22, 6:59 AM

Will very much depend on the CNC quote I get

Wwalmis Will very much depend on the CNC quote I get 😅

Vulkan•6/3/22, 7:00 AM

ah its CNCed I geuss I better start saving my pennies lol

slowmover•6/3/22, 9:29 AM

One question. If I fly multycrew with heuy as pilot and the copilot is flying the helicopter the cyclic will move or not ?? Have anyone tryed it ?

walmis•6/3/22, 9:30 AM

Well that's an interesting question, would be really cool if it worked

walmis•6/3/22, 9:33 AM

@bignewy any idea if that is implemented in DCS?

Sslowmover One question. If I fly multycrew with heuy as pilot and the copilot is flying th...

BIGNEWY•6/3/22, 9:35 AM

you have to hand permission to the co-pilot to take controls.

BIGNEWY•6/3/22, 9:35 AM

if we allow both to control at the same time things get funky pretty quickly

Richard•6/3/22, 9:38 AM

also if @_slowmover means does the stick move when the remote pilot moves the stick then I would argue that it shouldn't because it could result in physical harm because the pilots are not in sight of each other and lacking visual clues about movement that you get in the real thing.

BIGNEWY•6/3/22, 9:39 AM

yes very true

Mike (Mugs)•6/3/22, 9:41 AM

The brunner has an option to link both devices together using a cable which allows both to move at the same time I think its via CANBus

slowmover•6/3/22, 10:13 AM

Yes you give permission to the copilot to fly

AndyHill•6/3/22, 11:04 AM

Am I the only one who immediately thought of getting up and pushing the stick as far back as fast as I can if it's linked to my copilot's stick?

walmis•6/3/22, 11:05 AM

Nope

Flashgod_VR•6/3/22, 11:24 AM

there is a problem with FFB and multicrew in the F-14. i tested it a while ago... can't tell if it's still happening. if you are the RIO and a human pilot takes control, your FFB stick will start moving too...

FFlashgod_VR there is a problem with FFB and multicrew in the F-14. i tested it a while ago.....

Mike (Mugs)•6/3/22, 11:25 AM

that sounds like a feature !

Flashgod_VR•6/3/22, 11:26 AM

not if you have bound the stick axis to RIO functions...

FFlashgod_VR 😅 not if you have bound the stick axis to RIO functions...

Mike (Mugs)•6/3/22, 11:27 AM

true, will have to try that in the other multicrew jets

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