VPforce Controls•4y ago

😅 not if you have bound the stick axis to RIO functions...

not if you have bound the stick axis to RIO functions...

FFlashgod_VR 😅 not if you have bound the stick axis to RIO functions...

Mike (Mugs)•6/3/22, 11:27 AM

true, will have to try that in the other multicrew jets

Kapti•6/3/22, 12:22 PM

I don't remember exactly what happens, but I do remember that while in multi-crew if you hit the trim button the other person feels it.

Kapti•6/3/22, 12:23 PM

So there is something there.

walmis•6/6/22, 10:33 AM

Motors coming along nicely.

Keksstar•6/6/22, 6:53 PM

Hello

How can I sign up for an Rhino?

walmis•6/6/22, 6:55 PM

Hey! You can DM me ;)

maxonly•6/6/22, 7:14 PM

Will you be making a website where we can buy it in a later stage?

Mmaxonly Will you be making a website where we can buy it in a later stage?

walmis•6/6/22, 7:16 PM

Yup! It's in progress

maxonly•6/6/22, 7:18 PM

@walmis thnx, I'm building a full p-51d cockpit and I'm thinking about integrating a rhino into it. Could you tell me how high the base is?

walmis•6/6/22, 7:19 PM

Sure, one sec, I'll share the drawing

walmis•6/6/22, 7:20 PM

RHINO.pdf737.71KB

Wwalmis Click to see attachment

maxonly•6/6/22, 7:26 PM

Thnx. The rhino is the only ffb base that works with the direct input drivers. It might fill a gap in the market. Could be big. Keep it up

walmis•6/6/22, 7:29 PM

Thanks!

slowmover•6/8/22, 8:11 AM

@walmis Do you have any plans for the motors fit to a collective? Is that possible?

Sslowmover @walmis Do you have any plans for the motors fit to a collective? Is that possi...

walmis•6/8/22, 8:13 AM

It's possible with the existing system no problem.

walmis•6/8/22, 8:14 AM

Just the proper mechanics are necessary

slowmover•6/8/22, 8:14 AM

Have you tried that ?

walmis•6/8/22, 8:15 AM

I'll try with a rhino sideways later

walmis•6/8/22, 8:16 AM

but for a proper collective a bit of counterweight would be beneficial, as to not waste power counterabalancing it constantly

Wwalmis but for a proper collective a bit of counterweight would be beneficial, as to no...

slowmover•6/8/22, 8:17 AM

i wanted to avoid that but i know what you mean

BikerSid•6/10/22, 11:44 AM

My motor kit arrived, thanks a lot. It'll be a while before I do any tests or experiments though, I have to check out the sim and then the real aircraft before I make any decisions

walmis•6/10/22, 12:22 PM

Awesome. Keep us posted

BikerSid•6/10/22, 12:48 PM

I really need some engineering drawings of a Spitfire yoke. I've got a comprehensive book that contains blueprints of the entire MKIX but they are more focussed on the airframe. When I do the simulator session I'll ask the guys there how they acquired their blueprints ( I'm assuming they use a Brunner system, it definitely has FFB or it wouldn't be CAA approved for training )
I will make 'puppy dog eyes' at them until I get the drawings I need

BBikerSid I really need some engineering drawings of a Spitfire yoke. I've got a comprehen...

Mike (Mugs)•6/10/22, 12:51 PM

Have you checked out the authentikit controls ? https://authentikit.org/ and these guys https://heritageflightsim.com/home/hfs-spitfire-mkix-cockpit-plans/

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BBikerSid I really need some engineering drawings of a Spitfire yoke. I've got a comprehen...

higgins•6/10/22, 12:58 PM

Check out this cad too. https://grabcad.com/library/control-column-spade-grip-supermarine-spitfire-2018-carbon-1

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higgins•6/10/22, 12:59 PM

I've used a combo of the AK design and that cad to build a spit ffb stick

higgins•6/10/22, 12:59 PM

Testing this weekend

BikerSid•6/10/22, 1:00 PM

Authentikit is a marvellous project, can't praise them enough. But I'm looking at a 1:1 cockpit build, and they have a modified stick design that makes sense for the 99% of people who need something a bit less single minded

BBikerSid Authentikit is a marvellous project, can't praise them enough. But I'm looking ...

Mike (Mugs)•6/10/22, 1:02 PM

Then the heritage project should give you that 1:1

BikerSid•6/10/22, 1:04 PM

That looks really interesting

BikerSid•6/10/22, 1:09 PM

I'm not making any decisions until I've had a session in the simulator and flown a real MK IX though, which will be this month

BBikerSid I'm not making any decisions until I've had a session in the simulator and flown...

Mike (Mugs)•6/10/22, 1:13 PM

Sounds awesome, will really give you something to base that elusive feel from, nothing like first hand comparison.

BikerSid•6/10/22, 1:23 PM

It's going to be eye wateringly expensive but it will be a real experience. To be honest it's the availability of a flight in the real plane that's driving my decision to build the Spitfire cockpit. I love the Spitfire, because what Englishman doesn't ? but I'd like an EE Lightning a little better. But there's no prospect of high fidelity simulator software for that and no way to fly a real one. I knew about Thunder Road, but they shut down years ago and I don't know if they allowed any stick time on the aircraft anyway.

CapnFlint•6/10/22, 9:30 PM

Thanks for the server invite! If I were interested, what's the cost of the Rhino kit? Are they available in any form?

walmis•6/10/22, 9:36 PM

Hey, welcome! Yes kits are available. You can check the pinned posts in #

showcase for photos. The regular motors (57blf) kit starts at 299€ and the bigger motors (86blf) start at 399€. The kits are plug and play and the working is demonstrated on my YouTube VPforce DIY video

walmis•6/10/22, 9:37 PM

The kit consists of two motors, control board and hookup wires

walmis•6/10/22, 9:39 PM

You would need a power supply and the mechanical part.

CapnFlint•6/10/22, 9:40 PM

So the case/enclosure/gimbal mount is all separate? Is that what you are calling the "Rhino" - any separate kit for that?

walmis•6/10/22, 9:42 PM

The Rhino is the actual base, I currently offer that as a complete assembled product.

walmis•6/10/22, 9:43 PM

The motor kits are for diy'ers :)

CapnFlint•6/10/22, 9:43 PM

Makes sense. What's the cost on the full Rhino base then?

walmis•6/10/22, 9:44 PM

800€

CapnFlint•6/10/22, 9:44 PM

Okay, good to know! Thanks for explaining.

walmis•6/10/22, 9:46 PM

You're welcome!

CapnFlint•6/10/22, 9:49 PM

I love the FFB experience, glad to see you are doing some cool stuff with it

walmis•6/10/22, 9:50 PM

Yeah, wholly different experience!

Vulkan•6/11/22, 12:09 AM

Does the rhino come with the larger or smaller motors. And down the line do you think you'll make rhinos with even more powerful motors, 20nm<

Flashgod_VROP•6/11/22, 1:42 AM

the question is, what for? why so much power? the rhino base with it's form and grip length is already really powerful. it needs to fixed really tight when it starts to unleash max forces, if not you are starting to move the base instead of the grip.

FFlashgod_VR the question is, what for? why so much power? the rhino base with it's form and ...

Woodspeople•6/11/22, 2:10 AM

1Nm = ~.7 ft·lb.

1 Foot = ~ 300mm. This is similar to the distance to the pivot in most real aircraft.
(F-18 has around ~ 1.5ft pitch, ~1ft roll, if the sources I've seen are accurate)
(the center of the palm may rest as much as 75mm above the base of the grip)

A pull force of ~20lbf for full deflection seems fairly typical of fighter aircraft.
(Looking for data on the f-18 I found a figure stating a force gradient of 3.5lbf/g. 3.5lbf * (7.5g-1g) ~= 23lbf = 31Nm at full aft stick.)
>20Nm seems fairly reasonable if you want to build a realistic stick for a modern jet.

manuvering aircraft without fbw (for instance the p-51) at high speed could easily become a two handed job.(>70lbf) But replicating that isn't really very viable for a ffb setup

Vladinsky•6/11/22, 2:11 AM

20NM wouldnt be a terrible place to be, it would net you about half the stick force of a relatively light stick like the Mirage 2000 using the thrustmaster hornet grip and rhino base format.

😅 not if you have bound the stick axis to RIO functions...

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