VWhat would need to change to make it more extension friendly? In general when you have such a large base and want to center mount a stick for a seat with a center cutout, the base needs to be mounted below the seat with the extension passing through the cutout. This is why I haven't bought the brunner, because they say it doesn't work well extended and the only thing that does is the $10,000 brunner.
WNot sure if it's a problem though. You can calculate the force, for example with stock Rhino at 9Nm you get: 9/0.168m/10 = ~5.3kg max force, if you extend it to 30cm you get: 9/0.3/10 = 3kg
VFor refernce a VKB base with max springs is like 5nm I belive
Vso your getting greater resistance then most non FFB sticks
WThe hardware is capable, but the software support is lacking for rudder pedals.
PI have firmware compatible with ODrive board (for pedals single axis ODrive will be enough) that supports FBB based on DCS telemetry. It genareates spring from speed (you can setup curve for it) as well as centering force from thrust (emulates air flow around rudder for propeller drive airplanes). In addition it generates vibration depending on AOA and G. So if you have three phase motor you can try it.
JIs that your bldc-ffb-wheel firmware? A hoverboard motor could be a nice drive for pedals.
PIt is further development of it for joystick purposes(two axis + DCS telemetry).
CI´m targeting the Condor 2 Soaring Simulator. In its Input Section it shows FFB for Stick and Rudder
C
CI assume that pedals mean rudder ...
CI agree that the easiest way is to scale a spring curve with the plane velocity. Zero velocity will mean spring rate zero or very low, higher slope if velocity increases.
CWould it make sense to contact the Condor developer team?
CBtw. FFB wit side winder 2 is really good
CJust a little low forcese
WI wonder if Condor/DirectInput supports three axis FFB devices. Or one two axis device and a second one axis device for the rudders. It could be possible to connect three motors to the VPforce FFB system, just hadn't had the chance to test this yet.
CThey adress the MS Sidwinder 2 correctly, no additional drivers needed
CIm using it with a Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog in parallel, no issues or conflicts.
WYeah, VPforce will also work the same as msffb2, just with more force. What is curious for me is the ffb rudder pedals support :)
CThey should hand over the needed data somewhere.
CI will ask them if they can give us a hint.
CRudder will challenge the motor as you have a lot of force in your legs, especially when things do not run well
CSo this has to be strong and needs to handle overload conditions
WThe 86BLF motor should do the job fine for rudders
CI had the idea to have an output connector on the FFB joystick that delivers the airspeed to the rudder pedals.
CThat would be enough to have a scaleable feedback force at the rudder.
CCan you pick this information from the game interface?
WYeah, I have this in my future roadmap
C
CIn the meantime I will contact the Condor Team.
CCan I drive a FFB Kit parallel to the joystick?
WHow do you mean?
CI use your FFB/Kit to power up the rudder and use a Joystick that uses the same kit for height and aileron
Cso two have to work simultaneously / in parallel
WYeah, that's possible, but I will need to make some software improvements for this usage scenario
CYes, some kind of syncronisation or coupling, master and slave
WThat too, as in syncing two joysticks bidirectionally
COne step at a time 
WYup. But good to have a clear roadmap :)
CIn the CONDOR 2 forum I found this http://www.simprojects.nl/rudder_pedals_with_force_feedback.htm
It uses airspeed and other information to generate rudder forces
It uses airspeed and other information to generate rudder forces
CC
CHere you have a interface reading data from Condor 2 and making it available for the arduino board
CThere is as well a arduino FFB Joystick library at https://github.com/YukMingLaw/ArduinoJoystickWithFFBLibrary
GitHub
An Arduino Joystick Library With Force Feedback Feature - GitHub - YukMingLaw/ArduinoJoystickWithFFBLibrary: An Arduino Joystick Library With Force Feedback Feature
WNice starting point
WGitHub
Program to send Condor Soaring UDP data to a serial connected arduino - Condor2Arduino/TutorialCs1 at master · docop/Condor2Arduino
PHi there, I love the product you have made here & congratulations on making such a product for the flight sim community. I have a few questions, is the VKB adapter in stock yet? is there a solution provided or one that is regularly used to attach the VKB grip externally to the black box?
WHey, thanks! I'm finalizing the adapter project and it will be available soon as I will need to ship it with a few Rhinos in the upcoming batch. It will twist on the TM/Virpil threads and will have a extension cable with a GX12 4pin connector to attach to the VKB black box.
PSo will it work fully with a VKB MCGU + 200m curved extension? & the KG12 ww2 grip?
WIt's a simple passthrough, so if the the mounting is the same as in the pic, should work 
