It isn't, and that's my personal experience, and we can leave it at that. Next question is, how the

It isn't, and that's my personal experience, and we can leave it at that. Next question is, how the heck do I get the top of the extension off... it's stuck on there pretty good. Hopefully the replacement parts come with some instructions...

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:29 AM

Your also getting a product replaced out of warranty for free (except shipping), I think this is more than fair

sliphavocOP•7/15/22, 5:30 AM

Indeed. Still doesn't make it a good design though. :)

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:30 AM

Contact support before you do any potential damage that could cost more

Ssliphavoc It isn't, and that's my personal experience, and we can leave it at that. Next q...

walmis•7/15/22, 5:31 AM

Hot air

Heat up that sucker and the glue will release.

Wwalmis Hot air 🙂 Heat up that sucker and the glue will release.

Vulkan•7/15/22, 5:31 AM

Huh didn't think of that good idea

sliphavocOP•7/15/22, 5:33 AM

Yep, just found this https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/mdunp6/vkb_200_mm_extension_disassembly/ looks like a heat gun and some percussive maintenance might be the way to go.

r/hotas - VKB 200 mm Extension Disassembly

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Deleted User•7/15/22, 5:34 AM

Percussive mainteance?

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:34 AM

I took mine apart the other day

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:34 AM

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 5:35 AM

2 screws

sliphavocOP•7/15/22, 5:36 AM

I didn't try the bottom yet, just the top. There was a good amount of threadlocker to break loose getting the one screw out, and then the top cap is not moving at all.

sliphavocOP•7/15/22, 5:37 AM

But if it's got some of that same threadlocker, or if it's just a really tight mechanical fit, that could explain. Heatgun should help with both, I'll just have to be careful.

sliphavocOP•7/15/22, 5:38 AM

@Deleted User Percussive maintenance is a joke. Means hitting the thing until it comes apart :)

sliphavocOP•7/15/22, 5:40 AM

In the meantime, since everything's back together for now and hopefully not flaky for a while, I'm going to play some DCS while dreaming about FFB...

TrigaNZ•7/15/22, 6:47 AM

General question. Will the Rhino work as a fully damped stick? For example, can you move it to a position and it will stay there, without pressing anything like force trim. Cheers.

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 6:50 AM

I would assume so

TTrigaNZ General question. Will the Rhino work as a fully damped stick? For example, can ...

walmis•7/15/22, 6:52 AM

Yes, if you enable the Friction effect, it will hold it in place until breakout force is exceeded.
I had this documented in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBxxXPD0ivI

YouTubeValmantas Palikša

VPforce FFB New Friction Effect Development

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This system will enable enthusiasts to build a plug-an-play FFB joysticks with custom mechanics. Contact me for details if interested.

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Wwalmis Yes, if you enable the Friction effect, it will hold it in place until breakout ...

TrigaNZ•7/15/22, 7:02 AM

Perfect, thank you. Great for helicopters. Cheers.

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:07 AM

but keep in mind, that depressing trim button also commands the FCS in helicopters (in DCS).

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:07 AM

just moving the stick somewhere wouldn't tell the FCS what you want to do...

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:15 AM

The never ending struggle, my old gloves have a hole worn into the thumb because of it

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:16 AM

i use fingerless gloves

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:17 AM

I use WileyX Aries now, much nicer, and thicker leather

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:18 AM

ah nice, what about heat and sweat in these?

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:20 AM

It's not too bad but I've usually got a portable AC running in the summer. Keeps it below 22C at the cockpit

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:20 AM

hehe alright, i use these simple ones:

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:21 AM

That does looks very comfortable

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:21 AM

But muh immersion

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:21 AM

i don't see them with the VR HMD

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:22 AM

But I'd know they're there

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:22 AM

That's a bigger issue for me though, the G2 gets quite hot

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:22 AM

brain override mode helps xD

FFlashgod_VR but keep in mind, that depressing trim button also commands the FCS in helicopte...

TrigaNZ•7/15/22, 7:41 AM

If you move the stick in say the AH-64 to achieve straight and level and take your hand off it, isn't it effectively 'trimmed' ?

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:41 AM

Only if you press the trim release at that position

VVladinsky Only if you press the trim release at that position

TrigaNZ•7/15/22, 7:42 AM

What about the likes of an H125 that has no trim button?

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:42 AM

Those I believe just have a friction collar at the base

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:42 AM

and with irreversible hydraulics it'd either be held in place by the friction or fall over

VVladinsky Only if you press the trim release at that position

TrigaNZ•7/15/22, 7:45 AM

But I can fly all day long with my spring loaded stick if I hold the force. If the rhino holds the position there is no need to trim?

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:46 AM

Technically yes, although you might run into SCAS saturation in the apache and you'd need to hold the trim release down to get stability back working fully

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:47 AM

my stick has no springs and I can fly without every touching the trim but I lose the benefit of the stability channels

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:47 AM

It's more apparent in the Ka50

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:48 AM

Yep, AH-64's SCAS needs re-trimming over time

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:49 AM

it'll will tell you in the upper display if saturation is reached

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:49 AM

It also beeps very angrily

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:49 AM

Hate that thing

TrigaNZ•7/15/22, 7:52 AM

Thanks you two. It sounds like just what I'm after for aeroplanes and helicopters. I'm not opposed to the trim button just wanted to know it would stay in position. I'm lucky to fly an A/C that needs no manual trimming.

Vladinsky•7/15/22, 7:54 AM

That's one of the reasons I've been waiting for FFB for so long, changing my stick between helicopters and planes is such a pain

TTrigaNZ Thanks you two. It sounds like just what I'm after for aeroplanes and helicopter...

ddrake1984•7/15/22, 7:54 AM

Dont treat it like a joystick with damper minus springs, treat it like a force feedback joystick with dampen and springback functionality

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:54 AM

the Ka-50 is more like a drohne, with the trimming button which works more like a enter key.

it can basically fly you everywhere without needing to move the cyclic, with a full flight plan and low level altitude flight following the landscape

Flashgod_VR•7/15/22, 7:55 AM

set everything up, trim the attitude you want and it goes

It isn't, and that's my personal experience, and we can leave it at that. Next question is, how the

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