when your stick position moves outside the white square you need to bring the white square back in t
when your stick position moves outside the white square you need to bring the white square back in the area of your stick position by trimming
TThe scas is what keeps it stable, on the real bird, dcs the fm is kinda wonky atm
Swell thats annoyng
TIn general it’s always good to hit the trimmer when doing cyclic inputs
TEvery helo with a sas works that way
TForce trim is really no different
SI wander if he can use vjoy to make the game think his using ffb stick and then fly in the center mode with trim
TIn the real helo pressing the trimmer is what let’s you move the stick to begin with
Sbecause my ffb stick acts exactly as its supposed to even though it should act like a spring stick, so I think the game knows and lets me trim where I want to
TIn the Apache if the stick is outside the sleeve the scas will go to limits and saturate
Si see
Swell I never paid attention to that
TYour holds won’t engage either
TIt won’t handle as it should basically
SI just trim when I notice my hands getting tired pushin on the stick so much
Sand then when I want to hover
SI trim and leave it there
TYeah you’re flying with an unaided technique in a kinda fbw aircraft
Swas this scas system in the apache when it came out?
TYou have to rethink, it’s not you doing things it’s you telling the aircraft what to do, garbage in garbage out
TYes
Sthis is the first time hearing about it
Swhat stick do you use?
TCm3
Sah ok
Sare you getting the vp force or your lurking
TI was planning to but then the cm3 came out lol
Saww
Sthere are other options that you can get without weight time if thats an issue
TI mostly do helos so ffb isn’t hugely important for the drawbacks
TDead sticks a dead stick
MWait so you always have to be pressing the trimmer to hover out do anything?
Sbut it doesnt give you maximum realism for example in apache the stick centers no?
TNo, you have some „wiggle room“ and you can push past the magnets
TWhat force trim does is just changing the center point and sas reference
TThe cm3 has dampers so it stays in place
Swait so your sayng that in the white square the ffb should be lighter but when you try to go outside it then it should get strong?
TNo
TIt has nothing to do with feedback
Si mean centering force
TI was talking about the real thing
Syeah in the real thing
TThere is no centering force, not in the sense of a spring
Show does it feel?
TIt’s literally just holding the stick in place
Sso like a friction?
TYes
Swhat about outside the wiggle room?
Swhat happens when you push past the magnets
TSame thing, the friction doesn’t change
