Silk.NET•3y ago

@rubynova ^ you may appreciate this, modern .NET 7 on consoles using just NativeAOT

TechPizza•1/1/23, 6:03 PM

~~i hope that monogame dies due to this~~

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:04 PM

it's probable that monogame contacts them and tries to use the same tech

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:04 PM

well both FNA and MonoGame used BRUTE originally

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:05 PM

so yeah they'll probably both move

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:05 PM

cus FNA and MonoGame collaborate a fair bit

TechPizza•1/1/23, 6:05 PM

meh, monogame is pain and suffering

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:07 PM

it's probable that silk could use it too, but i don't have a console license so i cant see

TechPizza•1/1/23, 6:08 PM

would be real dumb if they pulled a "hah, only FNA can use this!"

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:08 PM

yea

PPerksey @rubynova ^ you may appreciate this, modern .NET 7 on consoles using just Native...

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:08 PM

Holy shit nice

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:09 PM

i'm sure if someone wanted to it would be trivial to get it working under silk, but i don't have the resources nor time to deal with consoles

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:09 PM

Consoles are hell

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:09 PM

As someone who works with them on the regular

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:10 PM

Giga screm

RRubyNovaDev Consoles are hell

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:10 PM

so are most platforms to be fair, been dealing with linker bugs on msvc arm for 2 days now

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:10 PM

Anyways I must disappear once more

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:11 PM

cya

LLyris the Kitori so are most platforms to be fair, been dealing with linker bugs on msvc arm for ...

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:11 PM

I mean yes but desktop doesn't come with proprietary SDKs and custom versions of compilers and closed source graphics APIs that make me screech to the heavens

RubyNovaDev•1/1/23, 6:11 PM

Anyway yes seeya lol

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:13 PM

wonder how easy it would be to get it working on Xbox developer mode

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

I do have an Xbox and I can enable developer mode so I might steal it and try it out

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

the only way you can develop for Xbox without an NDA is UWP

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

ah really? damn

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:14 PM

thus i'd imagine their NativeAOT fork will remain NDA

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

yeah

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

~~time to get it working with uwp~~

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

nah jk uwp is horrible

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

gl lmao

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

good luck with .NET Standard 2.0!

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

also iirc, Silk.NET bricks the compiler

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

or rather function pointers do

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:15 PM

ah lol

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

we break a lot of the dotnet compilers to be fair

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

(though that may have been fixed in the recent .NET Native update)

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

i'd love to see il2cpp cowering and crying at a silk binary

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:16 PM

I mean
I got silk running in .net aot fine?
unless that's not what you mean

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

that's not what i mean

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

the name of the .NET framework UWP runs is ".NET Native"

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

not to be confused with ".NET NativeAOT"

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

ah
why does everything have similar names

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:17 PM

not to be confused with "good"

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:18 PM

the issue was .NET Native generated all the DllImport & P/Invoke code at compile time. in plaintext C# too, which was pretty cool.

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:18 PM

however when the compiler encountered a function pointer in a signature, it would generate invalid C#.

Lyris the Kitori•1/1/23, 6:18 PM

same

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:19 PM

BUT i believe it's been fixed now because the developer of ComputeSharp is a function pointer addict and joined Microsoft on the Windows Store team, so i'd imagine he'd have screamed very loudly

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:19 PM

he's famous for abusing the

&Unsafe.As<int, int>

&Unsafe.As<int, int>

trick

Aqua•1/1/23, 6:20 PM

reinterpret cast an int to an int? lol

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:20 PM

nonono

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

ref T* AsPointerRef<T>(ref T thing) => ref ((delegate*<ref T, ref T*>)&Unsafe.As<int, int>)(ref thing);

ref T* AsPointerRef<T>(ref T thing) => ref ((delegate*<ref T, ref T*>)&Unsafe.As<int, int>)(ref thing);

PerkseyOP•1/1/23, 6:22 PM

or something along those lines i don't quite remember

@rubynova ^ you may appreciate this, modern .NET 7 on consoles using just NativeAOT

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