currently the definition files are stored as XML for ease of development. they'll eventually be move

currently the definition files are stored as XML for ease of development. they'll eventually be moved to a binary format which means reflection will no longer be required

AquaOP•1/16/23, 2:55 PM

i couldn't get the xml deserializer to work, although i've heard JSON might work so

AAqua currently the definition files are stored as XML for ease of development. they'l...

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 2:55 PM

Oh I see

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 2:56 PM

That's hm awfully specific

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 2:56 PM

But whatever it is you're using it for I hope it's going well atm!

AAqua monogame is a framework it does a lot of the stuff for you

flyke•1/16/23, 2:58 PM

Yes, I saw it has similar classes that I need, like Texture etc.

AquaOP•1/16/23, 2:58 PM

a fair bit of .net is built on reflection so avoiding it is not easy at times
you just have to be wary of what does and what doesn't work
for example everything involving AssemblyAssembly and GetType()GetType() and stuff uses reflection.
fortunately the AOT compiler stores this stuff ahead of time so this stuff should actually still work
but the dynamic stuff like i'm doing that can't be calculated ahead of time isn't possible
so you just need to be wary of what will and won't work

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 2:59 PM

Oh that doesn't seem too bad

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 2:59 PM

I'm glad both JIT and AOT exist

Fflyke Yes, I saw it has similar classes that I need, like Texture etc.

AquaOP•1/16/23, 2:59 PM

mg basically removes all boilerplate code. if you want to just get on with things mg will work decently well.
so it completely depends what you are after. it's not a game engine, so don't expect many bells and whistles, but it has a few

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:00 PM

personally, implementing what mg does have i find to be quite quick now, so i have no need for it anymore.

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:01 PM

Also you can build your own structure and game loop

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:01 PM

Which can be highly customized

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:01 PM

Which is always a good thing

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:01 PM

That would however require some extra work with MG I believe

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:02 PM

tbf, mg's game loop is one of the best single threaded ones around. you can't separate FPS and UPS though which is the annoying part. it kinda just does that on its own.

flyke•1/16/23, 3:06 PM

Can we separate Update with Silk.Net? Like faster updates than render.

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:06 PM

yes

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:06 PM

and unlike monogame if silk windowing is not for you then you can just roll your own windowing system that does exactly what you need, like i did

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:07 PM

Are there any problems with silk windowing or...?

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:08 PM

nope, not that i can see. i roll my own for two reasons:
1) i do everything myself unless it is something i cannot reasonably expect myself to do, or i can't be bothered to do it
2) my windowing system is specifically for my graphics API and its style fits in with my library

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:08 PM

but i use silk windowing when i use opengl by itself, because its quick and easy and it works fine

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:08 PM

Mmm I see

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:08 PM

Thanks for the tip!

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:09 PM

flyke•1/16/23, 3:10 PM

Silk.Net make window and update/render are very friendly. It’s like Godot but without nasty “Gdscript”

just put in assets and logic and app ready to run.

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:10 PM

Btw

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:10 PM

Can you in theory make an Xbox app via Silk using D3D backend?

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:11 PM

And AOT compilation ofc

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:11 PM

theoretically, yes.
perksey was gonna look further into this i believe. the addition of AOT will certainly help, although JIT is also possible as can be seen with space engineers (although it uses sharpdx).
it's technically possible now if you wish to murder your braincells with UWP

flyke•1/16/23, 3:11 PM

I just remember how I studied Win32API, where you write 50 lines of horible code just to open window

AAqua theoretically, yes. perksey was gonna look further into this i believe. the addi...

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:12 PM

Nooo

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:12 PM

No UWP

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:12 PM

UWP is dying

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:14 PM

yes
developer mode is UWP only
if you want to make a proper xbox app you need to sign their NDAs
so it is technically possible with developer mode, you just need to use UWP.
if you want to use SDL or whatever then you'll have to sign the NDAs and whatnot to do it.

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:14 PM

I'm not even sure I can legally sign NDAs tbf

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:14 PM

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:15 PM

i plan for spacebox to release on xbox so soon enough i will start looking into this myself
although i will admit using C++ for the game has been in the back of my mind for a while, I just can't be bothered to spend months porting my engine and then fiddling around with mono to try and get it to load c# assemblies so i can support modding

ZZaBlazzingZephyrus I'm not even sure I can legally sign NDAs tbf

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:15 PM

But I'll see bout that

AAqua i plan for spacebox to release on xbox so soon enough i will start looking into ...

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:16 PM

Tbh I think C# is pretty good for gaming

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:16 PM

It's performant enough and it's really friendly

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:17 PM

I hope eventually more games start to be made using C# libraries and engines (not just Unity)

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:17 PM

it's pretty decent for games.
ironically though it is so portable its not portable enough for my usecase

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:17 PM

huh

flyke•1/16/23, 3:36 PM

Unity used because it is simple, and solo dev can finish project. Making that all from scratch will take up to 10 years, like that guy on youtube, made simple farm game on java. The first videos are 7 years ago

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:38 PM

True but idk

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:39 PM

From personal experience Unity is really uncomfortable to work with

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:39 PM

At least for me

ZaBlazzingZephyrus•1/16/23, 3:39 PM

And I'm finishing a small project in it rn

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:40 PM

making a completely general purpose game engine will take years for a single person, heck, it takes years for teams.
i am going down that path myself but not so much that i am going crazy over it. my engine can handle what i need and nothing more. that's when the development time speeds up. after i've implemented all the bits i need then i'll worry about implementing the "general purpose" bits

AquaOP•1/16/23, 3:42 PM

a fair amount of development time can also be attributed to making the editor for the engine. the solution here is to not bother with making a general purpose editor, you can live without it.
just make what you need and nothing more

currently the definition files are stored as XML for ease of development. they'll eventually be move

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