Hey I was asking in the razbam discord if they can implement the same bump you feel in the F5 when y

Hey I was asking in the razbam discord if they can implement the same bump you feel in the F5 when you press through the aileron limiter.

In the m2000, despite being FBW there's an elastic limit that takes 40kg of force to pull through. It then let's the plane pitch up at a higher aoa I think, maybe breaking the jet though.

Kind of like the lever in the f18

Anyway he says he's willing to look into it but I'm not well versed enough in the mechanics of ffb to describe how the F5 makes that bump. Can anyone help?

MagpieOP•1/17/23, 10:46 PM

MagpieOP•1/17/23, 10:46 PM

Galinette#7116

MagpieOP•1/17/23, 10:46 PM

https://discord.gg/c6Pfb4pw

MagpieOP•1/17/23, 10:47 PM

I was discussing it in the m2000 thread

leninjahd•1/17/23, 10:49 PM

!status

Lleninjahd !status

VPforceBot•1/17/23, 10:49 PM

Hey @leninjahd,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0036 on 2023-01-12
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 102 days, median is 110 days, max is 183 days
34 Rhinos are shipped in total

Beathmeister•1/18/23, 2:29 AM

For those with Rhinos, what grip would you recommend for various DCS modules? I have a Virpil VFX (with 200mm extension) for use with the F-14 module and a TM Warthog (which I was planning to use for a dedicated F-16 setup with a FSSB-R3 when I’m ready to take the plunge on that). Is it worth getting another grip for use with the F/A-18, AV-8, helis etc.?

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 2:33 AM

I just have a Cosmo (I think it's called) with the extension. You'll need more 4 way hats for the A10 and f18 than the f14 grip can provide

MMagpie I just have a Cosmo (I think it's called) with the extension. You'll need more 4...

ddrake1984•1/18/23, 3:35 AM

You have a Constellation Alpha

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 3:35 AM

ddrake1984•1/18/23, 3:35 AM

With a 200mm extension

TrigaNZ•1/18/23, 3:44 AM

I'm going to get the WW F-16 EX (with extra module) and an extension.

TTrigaNZ I'm going to get the WW F-16 EX (with extra module) and an extension.

ddrake1984•1/18/23, 4:14 AM

Its lighter than the Thrustmaster Warthog from memory, so would be better for FFB

Dddrake1984 Its lighter than the Thrustmaster Warthog from memory, so would be better for FF...

TrigaNZ•1/18/23, 6:47 AM

I had a CH years ago and liked the switches etc. With the extra switches on the side I recon it will cover all a bases for me.

MMagpie I was discussing it in the m2000 thread

Boggy•1/18/23, 8:10 AM

Wait...does the Mirage have a FFB profile?

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:10 AM

No but if we help him he will try to add it

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:11 AM

It should be pretty easy because it's fbw and then just has a bump of higher force at the bottom of the pitch axis

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:12 AM

Kinda like the F5 has on either side of the roll axis

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:13 AM

And hopefully if they knock over that low hanging fruit it breaks the seal for the other razbam modules.

Idk if the F15 got FBW in it's upgrade

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:13 AM

F15e I mean

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:13 AM

Cos I bet it comes out without a profile

Boggy•1/18/23, 8:29 AM

Yeh, hopefully it would be a start for other modules too then. I doubt the F15 will come with a FFB profile.

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:37 AM

Got my spare demo rhinos hanging around @walmis that you could loan out to razbam?

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 8:58 AM

We should crowd fund one if you don’t and rotate it around willing developers

MMagpie Hey I was asking in the razbam discord if they can implement the same bump you f...

Virus•1/18/23, 10:20 AM

With the Razbam modules the FFB doesn't work....ok the M-2000 is FBW, but the AV8 and Mig-19 doesn't have the moving trim implemented....I hope they won't do the same with the f-15e

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 10:21 AM

Yeah so he says if we can tell him how it works he’ll add ffb to then m2000 for the elastic limit

MagpieOP•1/18/23, 10:21 AM

I’m just not smart enough to tell him how it works

Virus•1/18/23, 10:23 AM

Honestly I don't know about the m-2000...but the stick moving with trim is pretty easy to implement...It took just 1 hour to Duke (IFE) to implement it for the MB339 when I asked him....It just they are lazy or don't listen to the (too few) people in the FFB sticks community

VVirus Honestly I don't know about the m-2000...but the stick moving with trim is prett...

Phantom•1/18/23, 10:39 AM

Been having that battle for a decade or more.....

BBeathmeister For those with Rhinos, what grip would you recommend for various DCS modules? I ...

PiNKSH!T•1/18/23, 12:23 PM

The Virpil T-50CM2 'Russian style' grip or the VKB Modern Combat Grip Pro/Ultimate which is the same 'Russian style' have heaps of HATS & buttons upto 5 hat switches, 4 push buttons, 2 stage trigger, flip down trigger with button press when 'flicking' up plus the trigger stage & the brake axis lever too. I have the VKB MCGU & it's a beast of a stick, really the only stick you'd need, I don't thnk the Virpil has a z axis twist I know the MCGU has the option for a lockable twist. Also if you're keen on a force sensing base why not check out the Winwing Moveable Force Sensing Stick Base?

DeltaVJ•1/18/23, 3:40 PM

Mcgu is the best, far ahead of the virpil, Thrustmaster f18 IS really good to but have less button

PPiNKSH!T The Virpil T-50CM2 'Russian style' grip or the VKB Modern Combat Grip Pro/Ultima...

Beathmeister•1/19/23, 3:54 AM

I don’t think the WinWing FSSBs have shipped yet. It will be interesting to see how they stack up against the RealSim model once the comparison reviews start coming in. Thanks for the info about the other sticks.

skyPickle•1/19/23, 5:08 AM

Does the virpil software serve any purpose if a virpil grip is attached to a Rhino> Does the Virpil grip have a microcontoller in it or is everything in the base?

FlatSpin•1/19/23, 6:12 AM

Per Walmis virpil and thrustmaster grips are fully supported. The controller is in the virpil bases. You only need the software for firmware upgrades of their bases and if you own the control panels as far as I know.

SskyPickle Does the virpil software serve any purpose if a virpil grip is attached to a Rhi...

aniron•1/19/23, 11:28 AM

The Virpil grip has electronics. I thought the VPForce electronics could use the Virpil and TM grips without a passthrough to their respective stick base, unlike with VKB grips that needs a "blackbox" controller

Aaniron The Virpil grip has electronics. I thought the VPForce electronics could use the...

walmis•1/19/23, 11:36 AM

Yep, that's true

aniron•1/19/23, 11:37 AM

Thus, no need for Virpil software?

walmis•1/19/23, 11:37 AM

No need

Anthony•1/19/23, 11:39 AM

So… can VPC grips use the VPC software whilst mounted on a Rhino base?

AAnthony So… can VPC grips use the VPC software whilst mounted on a Rhino base?

walmis•1/19/23, 11:48 AM

That's a negative.

walmis•1/19/23, 11:52 AM

Grips are dumb per se. VPC grips work as emulated shift-registers basically. All the magic is done in VPC base and PC software.

Wwalmis Grips are dumb per se. VPC grips work as emulated shift-registers basically. All...

Anthony•1/19/23, 11:57 AM

I see, thanks!

Anthony•1/19/23, 11:59 AM

Does the Rhino software have some software with similar capabilities? E.g. can it be used to make flipping the flip up/down trigger into recognising it being flipped up as opposed to flipped down (and vise versa)?

walmis•1/19/23, 12:09 PM

Rhino has basic button remapping support atm and advanced features best be done with software such as JoystickGremlin

Beathmeister•1/19/23, 12:53 PM

I plan on using different grips (VFX, TM WH and maybe another) with the Rhino. What is the best way to “tell” DCS that I have swapped grips on the Rhino so that I don’t have to remap manually? Joystick Gremlin? Is there any way to do it without that?

walmis•1/19/23, 12:57 PM

You could change Rhino product ID and Name in the configurator, DCS would detect it as a separate device

Wwalmis You could change Rhino product ID and Name in the configurator, DCS would detect...

Beathmeister•1/19/23, 10:56 PM

But will DCS detect a change of grip on the Rhino and remember what the grip is?

BBeathmeister But will DCS detect a change of grip on the Rhino and remember what the grip is?

walmis•1/20/23, 9:39 AM

Yeah, for example if you change the following, DCS will see a joystick named

VPforce Rhino FFB T-50CM2

VPforce Rhino FFB T-50CM2

with product ID

0x2050

0x2050

. So you can create multiple profiles for different grips and DCS will have separate bindings for each.

Beathmeister•1/20/23, 2:17 PM

Awesome. Will try.

skyPickle•1/20/23, 5:29 PM

One thing I miss with the virpil firmware is the ability to have a button on the stick 'zoom' the axis. In other words, suppose I am doing aerial refueling. Some aircraft have a 'stick to trimmer' control option. Some dont. By having this set in the firmware, I dont have to worry about button assignments. I can put the stick of any aircraft into 'trimmer mode'. Is this a possible feature that can be added to vp configurator?

Hey I was asking in the razbam discord if they can implement the same bump you feel in the F5 when y

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