Honestly I don't know about the m-2000...but the stick moving with trim is pretty easy to implement.

Honestly I don't know about the m-2000...but the stick moving with trim is pretty easy to implement...It took just 1 hour to Duke (IFE) to implement it for the MB339 when I asked him....It just they are lazy or don't listen to the (too few) people in the FFB sticks community

VVirus Honestly I don't know about the m-2000...but the stick moving with trim is prett...

Phantom•1/18/23, 10:39 AM

Been having that battle for a decade or more.....

BBeathmeister For those with Rhinos, what grip would you recommend for various DCS modules? I ...

PiNKSH!T•1/18/23, 12:23 PM

The Virpil T-50CM2 'Russian style' grip or the VKB Modern Combat Grip Pro/Ultimate which is the same 'Russian style' have heaps of HATS & buttons upto 5 hat switches, 4 push buttons, 2 stage trigger, flip down trigger with button press when 'flicking' up plus the trigger stage & the brake axis lever too. I have the VKB MCGU & it's a beast of a stick, really the only stick you'd need, I don't thnk the Virpil has a z axis twist I know the MCGU has the option for a lockable twist. Also if you're keen on a force sensing base why not check out the Winwing Moveable Force Sensing Stick Base?

DeltaVJ•1/18/23, 3:40 PM

Mcgu is the best, far ahead of the virpil, Thrustmaster f18 IS really good to but have less button

PPiNKSH!T The Virpil T-50CM2 'Russian style' grip or the VKB Modern Combat Grip Pro/Ultima...

Beathmeister•1/19/23, 3:54 AM

I don’t think the WinWing FSSBs have shipped yet. It will be interesting to see how they stack up against the RealSim model once the comparison reviews start coming in. Thanks for the info about the other sticks.

skyPickle•1/19/23, 5:08 AM

Does the virpil software serve any purpose if a virpil grip is attached to a Rhino> Does the Virpil grip have a microcontoller in it or is everything in the base?

FlatSpin•1/19/23, 6:12 AM

Per Walmis virpil and thrustmaster grips are fully supported. The controller is in the virpil bases. You only need the software for firmware upgrades of their bases and if you own the control panels as far as I know.

SskyPickle Does the virpil software serve any purpose if a virpil grip is attached to a Rhi...

aniron•1/19/23, 11:28 AM

The Virpil grip has electronics. I thought the VPForce electronics could use the Virpil and TM grips without a passthrough to their respective stick base, unlike with VKB grips that needs a "blackbox" controller

Aaniron The Virpil grip has electronics. I thought the VPForce electronics could use the...

walmis•1/19/23, 11:36 AM

Yep, that's true

aniron•1/19/23, 11:37 AM

Thus, no need for Virpil software?

walmis•1/19/23, 11:37 AM

No need

Anthony•1/19/23, 11:39 AM

So… can VPC grips use the VPC software whilst mounted on a Rhino base?

AAnthony So… can VPC grips use the VPC software whilst mounted on a Rhino base?

walmis•1/19/23, 11:48 AM

That's a negative.

walmis•1/19/23, 11:52 AM

Grips are dumb per se. VPC grips work as emulated shift-registers basically. All the magic is done in VPC base and PC software.

Wwalmis Grips are dumb per se. VPC grips work as emulated shift-registers basically. All...

Anthony•1/19/23, 11:57 AM

I see, thanks!

Anthony•1/19/23, 11:59 AM

Does the Rhino software have some software with similar capabilities? E.g. can it be used to make flipping the flip up/down trigger into recognising it being flipped up as opposed to flipped down (and vise versa)?

walmis•1/19/23, 12:09 PM

Rhino has basic button remapping support atm and advanced features best be done with software such as JoystickGremlin

Beathmeister•1/19/23, 12:53 PM

I plan on using different grips (VFX, TM WH and maybe another) with the Rhino. What is the best way to “tell” DCS that I have swapped grips on the Rhino so that I don’t have to remap manually? Joystick Gremlin? Is there any way to do it without that?

walmis•1/19/23, 12:57 PM

You could change Rhino product ID and Name in the configurator, DCS would detect it as a separate device

Wwalmis You could change Rhino product ID and Name in the configurator, DCS would detect...

Beathmeister•1/19/23, 10:56 PM

But will DCS detect a change of grip on the Rhino and remember what the grip is?

BBeathmeister But will DCS detect a change of grip on the Rhino and remember what the grip is?

walmis•1/20/23, 9:39 AM

Yeah, for example if you change the following, DCS will see a joystick named VPforce Rhino FFB T-50CM2VPforce Rhino FFB T-50CM2 with product ID 0x20500x2050. So you can create multiple profiles for different grips and DCS will have separate bindings for each.

Beathmeister•1/20/23, 2:17 PM

Awesome. Will try.

skyPickle•1/20/23, 5:29 PM

One thing I miss with the virpil firmware is the ability to have a button on the stick 'zoom' the axis. In other words, suppose I am doing aerial refueling. Some aircraft have a 'stick to trimmer' control option. Some dont. By having this set in the firmware, I dont have to worry about button assignments. I can put the stick of any aircraft into 'trimmer mode'. Is this a possible feature that can be added to vp configurator?

SskyPickle One thing I miss with the virpil firmware is the ability to have a button on the...

walmis•1/20/23, 6:08 PM

you mean button to axis perhaps ?

skyPickle•1/20/23, 11:46 PM

no. there is a 'zoom axis' option in the virpil configurator. When enabled, you designate a button to act as the 'zoom'. When active, the designated axes then have a 'lower saturation'. For example a full deflection in zoom mode is equivalent to a 1/10 deflection in normal mode(or however much you choose to set)

skyPickle•1/21/23, 12:06 AM

in the virpil software first you select the joystick, then select the big axis button on the left, then look in the center lower section of the page

skyPickle•1/21/23, 12:06 AM

Mack•1/21/23, 5:50 AM

I did read the FAQ, but I hoping someone can clear this up for me. Are there 2 options to buy? The base for $800 or the motor kit options (varied pricing). Or do you need to buy the base and the motor kit as well?

MMack I did read the FAQ, but I hoping someone can clear this up for me. Are there 2...

Rumpel•1/21/23, 6:01 AM

One or the other, if you want an out-of-the-box working solution (BYO grip), buy the Rhino. If you want to fabricate your own parts/design, you can buy the motor kit with different motor options. Kit comes with the controller board and wiring to connect the motors, and USB. No power connector/plug (beyond the mounted terminal block), no fans, no POTs, no emergency switch etc. They’re DIY to your needs.

Mack•1/21/23, 6:02 AM

What motors are in the out of the box version?

Rumpel•1/21/23, 6:02 AM

57BLF03

Mack•1/21/23, 6:05 AM

So that’s the smallest of the kit options, correct? I have zero knowledge. Are those small or generally the power most people are looking for - I fly war birds, jets and helos in DCS.

Rumpel•1/21/23, 6:06 AM

It’s the smallest of the options yes, but if you ask here everyone will say it’s plenty enough and that they tend to turn the forces down quite a bit, even in warbirds yes.

Mack•1/21/23, 6:07 AM

This kit is exciting!

Rumpel•1/21/23, 6:09 AM

It sure is, scroll way up in any of these channels and you’ll find very interesting discussion, designs, videos of what people have made. And a very welcoming and helpful community.

Wwalmis Grips are dumb per se. VPC grips work as emulated shift-registers basically. All...

aniron•1/21/23, 1:26 PM

Does the Rhino support VPC grips with analog axes and other festures that do not work through the shift register emulation?

Aaniron Does the Rhino support VPC grips with analog axes and other festures that do not...

walmis•1/21/23, 1:29 PM

Yes they do work

Anthony•1/21/23, 1:36 PM

Apologies if I’ve missed it, but what’s the throw of the base?

Anthony•1/21/23, 1:36 PM

How many degrees does it deflect?

walmis•1/21/23, 1:44 PM

+-22

frame0815(705676)•1/21/23, 2:02 PM

hi, @walmis i filled out the pre-order form. do i get a mail confirmation or anything else?

Fframe0815(705676)hi, @walmis i filled out the pre-order form. do i get a mail confirmation or an...

walmis•1/21/23, 2:04 PM

You can ask the VPforceBot in a DM: !info youremail!info youremail

Wwalmis You can ask the VPforceBot in a DM: `!info youremail`

frame0815(705676)•1/21/23, 2:06 PM

Great, thank you

Mack•1/21/23, 4:39 PM

Any folks have a good non-monster tech solution for mounting the base on an office chair set up (i.e. not clamped to the desk)? I take the caution I read on the desk mount due to the torque.

Wwalmis +-22

Hypoxia•1/22/23, 10:32 AM

Question ? The +-22° are the mini and maxi for each axis (Pitching and Rolling) ?? I creating my own RHINO and I'm just need of that information ! Thanks !

walmis•1/22/23, 10:37 AM

If I understood correctly - yes both pitch and roll has +- 22deg throw, 44deg total arc

Wwalmis If I understood correctly - yes both pitch and roll has +- 22deg throw, 44deg to...

Hypoxia•1/22/23, 11:20 AM

walmis•1/22/23, 11:31 AM

@Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner
Initial release of the DCS telemetry effects framework is on GitHub !
https://github.com/walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB

It's far from finished, but hopefully someone will want to help maintain it

Stuff to try:
TF-51 flight, Mig-21 takeoff, gun fire, missile launches, landing, countermeasures

GitHub

GitHub - walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB: DCS FFB Telemetry Effects (for VP...

DCS FFB Telemetry Effects (for VPforce FFB). Contribute to walmis/VPforce-TelemFFB development by creating an account on GitHub.

Viktor Martin•1/22/23, 12:53 PM

Man, every time I come here it puts a smile on my face. Rare to see such frendliness on the internet lol.

Wwalmis @Rhino Owner @FFB/Kit Owner Initial release of the DCS telemetry effects framew...

Beathmeister•1/22/23, 3:30 PM

A great achievement. Do these effects appear only modules with no FFB implemented or do they supplement (or replace) the effects present in modules like the F-14?

BBeathmeister A great achievement. Do these effects appear only modules with no FFB implemente...

walmis•1/22/23, 3:34 PM

Effects are supplemented, for modules with good ffb implementation some of the duplication can be turned off.

Honestly I don't know about the m-2000...but the stick moving with trim is pretty easy to implement.

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