So one thing I liked about the winwing grip was the set screw to really lock in the grip to the base

So one thing I liked about the winwing grip was the set screw to really lock in the grip to the base once tightened down. Any tips to eliminating the grip from being able to break free and rotate during extreme maneuvering? Teflon tape? Loctite 425?

VVulcan So one thing I liked about the winwing grip was the set screw to really lock in ...

Deleted User•1/21/23, 9:46 AM

Put a rubber O ring in the hole

Magpie•1/21/23, 11:32 AM

Aight, new issue
It seems the more spring effect a jet has, the more it throws the calibration of the end stops off

If the spring effect is low my raw x min at the joystick limit is 2120
If I’m in a plane that has a high spring effect the raw limit in the same spot changes to 2175
This means that the axis won’t actually let me do 100 percent roll in some planes

I found this out when mucking around in the m2000 and it needed a full control wipeout in order to continue with the fbw system

leninjahd•1/21/23, 11:39 AM

how can i make the rhino show in the VPC software?

MMagpie Aight, new issue It seems the more spring effect a jet has, the more it throws t...

walmis•1/21/23, 11:59 AM

That's normal as the gimbal/belt has some flex under load. Could be compensated in software in the new updates if there is a need.

Magpie•1/21/23, 12:00 PM

Ahhh ok
I’ll make deadzones in the modules effected then
Sadly a dead one doesn’t correspond to ffb effect

Magpie•1/21/23, 12:01 PM

I’d got used to flying the f14 with a slow roll rate lol

walmis•1/21/23, 12:01 PM

better to tweak the calibration, so the axis saturates a couple of % earlier

Lleninjahd how can i make the rhino show in the VPC software?

leninjahd•1/21/23, 12:04 PM

Or does that software only work with their bases?

Wwalmis better to tweak the calibration, so the axis saturates a couple of % earlier

Magpie•1/21/23, 12:07 PM

Yeah I did, but different modules have different forces at the ends of the axis

Lleninjahd how can i make the rhino show in the VPC software?

walmis•1/21/23, 1:30 PM

You can't, Rhino is not VPC

Wwalmis You can't, Rhino is not VPC

leninjahd•1/21/23, 1:31 PM

So i cant configure my grip?

walmis•1/21/23, 1:31 PM

Only via VPforce configurator

leninjahd•1/21/23, 1:31 PM

Oh okay

DDeleted User Put a rubber O ring in the hole

VulcanOP•1/21/23, 1:37 PM

So NOT around the threads but sandwiched in-between the devices, like this?

VulcanOP•1/21/23, 1:37 PM

Deleted User•1/21/23, 1:37 PM

Yeah

Deleted User•1/21/23, 1:38 PM

Should work if it fits just right

AndyHill•1/21/23, 1:50 PM

if I understood correctly you can't configure the Rhino in VPC software, but since the adapter is just a mechanical thing to hold the grip and you use the black box and VPC software to configure the grip

AAndyHill if I understood correctly you can't configure the Rhino in VPC software, but sin...

walmis•1/21/23, 1:51 PM

That's for VKB

AndyHill•1/21/23, 1:51 PM

yeah just noticed myself

AndyHill•1/21/23, 1:53 PM

all use of acronyms should be forever forbidden

Wwalmis That's normal as the gimbal/belt has some flex under load. Could be compensated ...

roller25.•1/22/23, 12:59 AM

Would an option to calibrate under full spring power help?

Magpie•1/22/23, 1:07 AM

Yeah you can do that by changing the raw x numbers you see at the physical limits when under load

Magpie•1/22/23, 1:08 AM

But then when the controls are slack you will max out the x axis before you hit that physical limit (kind of like a dead zone)

MMagpie Yeah you can do that by changing the raw x numbers you see at the physical limit...

walmis•1/22/23, 9:38 AM

I'll add the compensation algorithm for the next release

Magpie•1/22/23, 11:04 AM

Very cool

VulcanOP•1/23/23, 10:50 PM

@walmis not sure if my winwing adapter is working. Confirmed the f18 grip works in super libra base, immediately attach adapter and screw into rhino base but don't get any button input registered

VulcanOP•1/23/23, 10:51 PM

In vpforce configurator I changed grip type to winwing adapter then stored config

VulcanOP•1/23/23, 10:51 PM

After troubleshooting it as far as I could on my own I installed a warthog grip without the adapter and it works fine

VulcanOP•1/24/23, 1:57 AM

Just read an earlier post from you that this was created on a F-16EX grip ? Could that have anything to do with it? Do I have to buy a F-16EX grip now

walmis•1/24/23, 5:53 AM

Ah, damn F-18 probably has different register layout, I'll see what I can come up with. WW adapter can be flashed remotely, so if I can figure out the data then I can make an update.

ddrake1984•1/24/23, 9:09 AM

@vvuullccaann thoughts on the adapter?

ddrake1984•1/24/23, 9:10 AM

I plan to use the F18 grip alot

VulcanOP•1/24/23, 12:28 PM

It's not working at the moment but other than that it's great!

VVulcan It's not working at the moment but other than that it's great! 😆

walmis•1/24/23, 1:45 PM

Can you set Generic Grip (debug) with Winwing adapter and post some output from debug tab?

Wwalmis Can you set Generic Grip (debug) with Winwing adapter and post some output from ...

VulcanOP•1/24/23, 1:52 PM

Do you want the f18 grip unplugged for now and just the adapter?

walmis•1/24/23, 1:56 PM

you can with just the adapter

skyPickle•1/24/23, 6:06 PM

@@walmis I may have missed your reply but is there any consideration for this: a button to act as a limiter for axis excursion? So that when the button is depressed, the affected axes will only have a limited range mapped to the full stick excursion. Virpil implements this as a 'ceofficient of division -- basically scaling the raw output by a user specified amount.

skyPickle•1/24/23, 6:07 PM

The dialog in the virpil software looks like this:

skyPickle•1/24/23, 6:09 PM

The relevant box is labeled 'axes zoom'. In the 'action button' field I enter the logical button I want to act as the modifier. In the coeffieicent of division I enter the 'scaling amount' for the axis I am adjusting. In the VP config software, this could be a 'box' in the 'settings tab' . Initially, it would be fine if it applied to all axes uniformly for simplicity.

SskyPickle The relevant box is labeled 'axes zoom'. In the 'action button' field I enter th...

walmis•1/24/23, 6:15 PM

This is a bit tricky with FFB, since the center point is variable, but I guess could be doable with some maths. What's the main use case for this?

VVulcan Do you want the f18 grip unplugged for now and just the adapter?

walmis•1/24/23, 6:33 PM

When it would be a good time to debug the F-18 grip?

Wwalmis you can with just the adapter

VulcanOP•1/24/23, 6:33 PM

[13:08:05.343] * USB Connected
[13:08:18.393] Config received
[13:08:18.394] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:18.592] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:18.794] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:18.995] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:19.196] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:19.397] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:19.597] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
[13:08:19.799] FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
and on

walmis•1/24/23, 6:33 PM

hmm, should be a bit different

walmis•1/24/23, 6:34 PM

does it make a good connection with the Rhino?

walmis•1/24/23, 6:34 PM

pins not bent, etc?

VulcanOP•1/24/23, 6:34 PM

Sure seems like it, no pins bent. I will retry

walmis•1/24/23, 6:35 PM

it should go something like "FF FF FF FF FF 80 00 80 00 80 00"

anzetk•1/24/23, 6:38 PM

will the 200mm extension on warbrd hit the desk mount? Why isnt it recomented?

anzetk•1/24/23, 6:39 PM

So one thing I liked about the winwing grip was the set screw to really lock in the grip to the base

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