No, there is going to be some play around center due to backlash, curious how much there is.
No, there is going to be some play around center due to backlash, curious how much there is.
SSorry then maybe someone else can jump in, I'm not really familiar with backlash. There isn't really any 'play' though, again unless the module wants there to be.
WYou won't feel any mechanical play.
Pyou mean backlash due to the, well backlash in the toothed belt? As in the difference between the sizes of the tooth in the belt and the gear?
PInteresting question. I'm not an owner yet, so I'll take whatever answers provided 
SFYI, I developed some play in the fore aft direction. Turns out the 4 bolts around the Y motor were slightly loose and the belt tension was lost. Walmis explained this to me, I tightened the belt and now the stick is as tight as it was when it was virgin.
DHow much play do you have when it's tight?
S1 mm
Slook at the belt as you gently wobble the styick. If the belt is tight it will not lose/gain curvature of the straight line between the pulleys
Pnow the question is - 1mm where?
Swho cares, thats just an estimate. look at the belt and its deflection
Sthe top of the stick maybe has 2-3 mm
PThat seems like a lot.
Sits a lot less than beforew
DUsing an extension?
Sbefore
Syou think real sticks have no play?
PI mean, that seems like a lot compared to my TM Warthog with a 20mm extension where any minute movement is read, even at the middle position. I'm aware that stuff in general has some play to it.
SIt's play in the FORCE FEEDBACK mech, not play in the hall efect sensor.
DNo, it's all compensated for in the trimmers and AFCS.
SPlay in the sensor appears as a deadzone, which this stick does not have
Pso I don't know if we're talking about the same thing then. Yes, I do not have any deadzone in the Warthog. But mechanical play in FFB joystick would also surely manifest itself as effectively a deadzone, just not around the middle position but any current resting position?
PI would assume the question is about mechanical play not any simulated play. The latter is quite fine to be there.
SWhich sticks are you talking about? the multi thousand dollar ones with magnetic clutches? I think this device is good for what it's made of.. Dead zone means the stick moves but the game does not register it. Sloppiness in the FFB means the stick wiggles a pinch before you feel the tight motor
SIt seems neither of you have hands on with this device. Are you using a brunner?
DI'm talking about real aircraft, helicopters specifically. I'm really curious how well it's going to hold it's position when resetting the trim to a new position. Which would be the FFBs job.
DI'm using a Brunner right now.
SI'm sure I could make it even tighter if I spent the time but the enemy of good is perfect.
PI don't have the Brunner. I was thinking about it, but decided to wait for walmis. Still, he himself just said mechanical play shouldn't be felt, hence my remark (plus comparison to what I have experience with)
Pthat's fair. Don't want to "overgood" it.
SThe trim reset is very good.. When I hold the trim button, the stick is loose and upon release, it immediately engages. As you know trimming a heli is different to a plane-you are not really trimming at the control surfaces - rather the trim is just an invisible appendage holding the stick. As such, you are constantly trimming. At least I am when maneuvering to and from a hover. Only in cruise do I set trim and forget it.
PThat's good to hear. Maybe I'd actually start using force trim in helis. Because atm I just prefer not to, unless in transit. Definitely not when going into hover or doing any kind of combat flying.
DYou are re-trimming the control surfaces in a helicopter, repositioning the cyclic that is held by the trim motors. In this case just releasing the FFB to reposition.
DGood to hear that the centering is good enough to hold position in forward flight, the Brunner is lacking in that. Can be compensated for in software but still not perfect.
Strim in an aircraft was often achieved by moving small secondary surfaces. Modern fly by wire jets have trim the same way that helis do-by adjusting the primary control surfaces' 'neutral position'. My choice of this device was based on its simplicity-works out of the box without software-something that turned me off to winwing as well. Also I have a strong belief in supporting individuals. Most inventions as well as advances in science are made by the individual mind, not corporations or committees.
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VHey @clu2606,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0044 on 2023-02-01
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 117 days, median is 116 days, max is 196 days
41 Rhinos are shipped in total
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0044 on 2023-02-01
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 117 days, median is 116 days, max is 196 days
41 Rhinos are shipped in total
Chey all, new owner here. got the package this morning. very surprised at the quality. wont be able to try it out until this weekend but cant wait to get started
BSurprised in a good way or bad? 
Cgood way
SIt's funny, I said the same thing - it's hard to give the compliment without it sounding condescending lol. I guess what I meant was I was expecting a very functional piece of hardware that was constructed with 3d printed material and wood.
SAs someone that does woodworking for fun, and owns a 3d printer I'm quite familiar with these materials and how 'premium' they are/are not and based on getting stick #37 I was pleasantly surprised. The wood has a nice acrylic paint that really hides the fact it's plywood in all but the edges, and only if you look/feel really deliberately.
DFor the brief few days I had to play with one of the Rhinos, it was very good for helicopters, the only thing I would have wanted which walmis is working on, is other effects felt through the stick like stall/buffet
SCan confirm what SkyPickle said, I've tested mine so far in the Apache, Huey, Hind and it feels great. The force trimming works like you'd expect, and the hat trimmer also moves the position, it's strong enough you don't have to really baby it or work around it if that makes sense.
SI do think there should be a warning on it for FFB n00bs like me, 1) always keep your hands on the stick when clicking fly and 2) do NOT try out the F-14 without setting the special options. Without checking the box in for the Tomcat in special it slams forward with enough force to kill an infant lol. I didn't have the spacing finalized and it dented the metal on the Winwing DDI placeholders. I guess I got lucky.
D@magpiee crashed and the stick wacked him in his nuts, I don’t think he will ever forget
Aif I can choose then yes maybe please rather wack forwards
DI would prefer stick to become floppy on a crash
MMig 15 stall needs a warning too
MI'm still too scared to fly il2
DUntil walmis can put in some disengage on crash