PI mean, that seems like a lot compared to my TM Warthog with a 20mm extension where any minute movement is read, even at the middle position. I'm aware that stuff in general has some play to it.
SIt's play in the FORCE FEEDBACK mech, not play in the hall efect sensor.
DNo, it's all compensated for in the trimmers and AFCS.
SPlay in the sensor appears as a deadzone, which this stick does not have
Pso I don't know if we're talking about the same thing then. Yes, I do not have any deadzone in the Warthog. But mechanical play in FFB joystick would also surely manifest itself as effectively a deadzone, just not around the middle position but any current resting position?
PI would assume the question is about mechanical play not any simulated play. The latter is quite fine to be there.
SWhich sticks are you talking about? the multi thousand dollar ones with magnetic clutches? I think this device is good for what it's made of.. Dead zone means the stick moves but the game does not register it. Sloppiness in the FFB means the stick wiggles a pinch before you feel the tight motor
SIt seems neither of you have hands on with this device. Are you using a brunner?
DI'm talking about real aircraft, helicopters specifically. I'm really curious how well it's going to hold it's position when resetting the trim to a new position. Which would be the FFBs job.
DI'm using a Brunner right now.
SI'm sure I could make it even tighter if I spent the time but the enemy of good is perfect.
PI don't have the Brunner. I was thinking about it, but decided to wait for walmis. Still, he himself just said mechanical play shouldn't be felt, hence my remark (plus comparison to what I have experience with)
Pthat's fair. Don't want to "overgood" it.
SThe trim reset is very good.. When I hold the trim button, the stick is loose and upon release, it immediately engages. As you know trimming a heli is different to a plane-you are not really trimming at the control surfaces - rather the trim is just an invisible appendage holding the stick. As such, you are constantly trimming. At least I am when maneuvering to and from a hover. Only in cruise do I set trim and forget it.
PThat's good to hear. Maybe I'd actually start using force trim in helis. Because atm I just prefer not to, unless in transit. Definitely not when going into hover or doing any kind of combat flying.
DYou are re-trimming the control surfaces in a helicopter, repositioning the cyclic that is held by the trim motors. In this case just releasing the FFB to reposition.
DGood to hear that the centering is good enough to hold position in forward flight, the Brunner is lacking in that. Can be compensated for in software but still not perfect.
Strim in an aircraft was often achieved by moving small secondary surfaces. Modern fly by wire jets have trim the same way that helis do-by adjusting the primary control surfaces' 'neutral position'. My choice of this device was based on its simplicity-works out of the box without software-something that turned me off to winwing as well. Also I have a strong belief in supporting individuals. Most inventions as well as advances in science are made by the individual mind, not corporations or committees.
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VHey @clu2606,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0044 on 2023-02-01
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 117 days, median is 116 days, max is 196 days
41 Rhinos are shipped in total
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0044 on 2023-02-01
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 117 days, median is 116 days, max is 196 days
41 Rhinos are shipped in total
Chey all, new owner here. got the package this morning. very surprised at the quality. wont be able to try it out until this weekend but cant wait to get started
BSurprised in a good way or bad? 
Cgood way
SIt's funny, I said the same thing - it's hard to give the compliment without it sounding condescending lol. I guess what I meant was I was expecting a very functional piece of hardware that was constructed with 3d printed material and wood.
SAs someone that does woodworking for fun, and owns a 3d printer I'm quite familiar with these materials and how 'premium' they are/are not and based on getting stick #37 I was pleasantly surprised. The wood has a nice acrylic paint that really hides the fact it's plywood in all but the edges, and only if you look/feel really deliberately.
DFor the brief few days I had to play with one of the Rhinos, it was very good for helicopters, the only thing I would have wanted which walmis is working on, is other effects felt through the stick like stall/buffet
SCan confirm what SkyPickle said, I've tested mine so far in the Apache, Huey, Hind and it feels great. The force trimming works like you'd expect, and the hat trimmer also moves the position, it's strong enough you don't have to really baby it or work around it if that makes sense.
SI do think there should be a warning on it for FFB n00bs like me, 1) always keep your hands on the stick when clicking fly and 2) do NOT try out the F-14 without setting the special options. Without checking the box in for the Tomcat in special it slams forward with enough force to kill an infant lol. I didn't have the spacing finalized and it dented the metal on the Winwing DDI placeholders. I guess I got lucky.
D@magpiee crashed and the stick wacked him in his nuts, I don’t think he will ever forget
Aif I can choose then yes maybe please rather wack forwards
DI would prefer stick to become floppy on a crash
MMig 15 stall needs a warning too
MI'm still too scared to fly il2
DUntil walmis can put in some disengage on crash
SYea, actually I could see how that would be very possible lol. I wonder if there is a way with that python program to have the default state carry over the spring or default VPForce settings. I could easily see how easy it would be to hit yourself in the balls.
DMaybe ill just wear a groin guard
SThe problem is that it DOES disengage on crash, or at least that is what happened when I had a close call with the pebbles yesterday.
AI'm not that worried really, if I sit normally there's no stick on stick action even at max deflection
SSo where you are maybe trying to do a deck save and really pulling back, if you DON'T make it and the stick instantly goes floppy (giggity) I could see how easy it'd be to take one to the testes.
SI don't know which would be worse, doing it like I said or maybe if it's leaned forward and an aggressive module like the Tomcat flings it into you like a hammer because you weren't holding it when you clicked fly.
DI can see the headlines now, “flight simmer dreams crushed, with his manhood”
MI have the 20cm extension on it. Sometimes it likes to start rocking back and forth a bit. Somehow it amplifies, kind of like a resonant frequency and within 10 seconds it's smashing from the end of one axis to another
SIt won't be as bad as the dude who was playing with his... joystick... in VR and fell through the table and died. At least that is the bar we have.
MWdym he fell through the table
SI have a 3d printed one, and I was still fiddling with the mounting and whatnot so I wasn't sitting in the seat but off to the side. I was watching the quick start video or whatever was talking about the balanced spring, since my extension does offset it a bit and it's just BARELY off-center with the normal spring profile. When I engaged the balanced spring it YEETED my grip across the room and snapped the extension. Totally my fault but was kind of funny. I've learned so many lessons in the past week or so.
MI once put my Sim pit too close to the wall and smashed my face into it when checking 6 lol
SPfft if you haven't face planted into your house checking 6 you aren't playing DCS.
AI sometimes get escalating wack-fuck symptoms when the stick hits endstops without my hand on it
Afor example in il-2 with the WW1 planes that have elevator droop modeled so that without airflow it droops down and pulls the stick full forward