@virusam Does the regular AP work without altitude hold? or just can you trim out the airplane in ge

@virusam Does the regular AP work without altitude hold? or just can you trim out the airplane in general without the stick requiring constant back pressure? If so then there may be something wrong somewhere else. Are you using an extension that is offset from the base that is maybe pulling?

roller25.•2/7/23, 6:46 PM

The stick is definitely modelled on the position of the main shaft, not the grip.

SStal2k @virusam Does the regular AP work without altitude hold? or just can you trim ou...

Virus•2/7/23, 6:48 PM

I need to try other modes. Usually for me the only useful one is alt hold

Stal2kOP•2/7/23, 6:50 PM

Ya, just enabling the AP functions as sort of an attitude hold within reason(constraints). All I know is mine was wonky until I checked the box in the special options. However if there is an issue with the centering/offset - just speculating - but based on the other behavior it seems like the tomcat is very sensitive with the FFB stuff and can get into a situation with a 'runaway' stick.

Stal2kOP•2/7/23, 6:53 PM

Probably basic solutions you've already tried but just in case, make 10000% sure no other peripheral is bound to the pitch/roll axis. I know a lot of them default to that and it's usually fine to leave it but just in an abundance of caution I'd clear it. Otherwise, when you're saying it's off-centered in the game control display, you mean it's off center where the axis lines cross, or just off centered from the centerpoint, but otherwise on the cross? I have a meeting in 8 minutes but after that if I can I'll hop in and check how my control window looks.

Virus•2/7/23, 6:55 PM

i will post a screenshot asap

Stal2kOP•2/7/23, 6:57 PM

Ok, I'll check 1) Verify the attitude hold works more less same as it did pre-ffb 2) position of stick both physically and in-game window with 0 trim and level flight no AP.

Virus•2/7/23, 7:20 PM

Virus•2/7/23, 7:20 PM

stick at mission start

Virus•2/7/23, 7:21 PM

stick position with trim centered

Virus•2/7/23, 7:21 PM

ffb enabled

Virus•2/7/23, 7:22 PM

trim ffb implementation in special options enabled

Stal2kOP•2/7/23, 8:04 PM

Ok, so I just tested mine and it does the same thing. I think that is the way it's supposed to be. The autopilot (attitude) works same as before, and the plane will kind of 'stick' where you leave it. Engaging altitude hold also works, I think they desensitized it a bit but it used to require damn near 0 +/- FPM, I think I engaged it with ~200 or so and it worked fine. When holding wings level the stick is also basically where it is on your control indicator. FYI the trimmer does not work when you have the base AP engaged.

Stal2kOP•2/7/23, 8:08 PM

@virusam Also, I guess to confirm - maybe I should have searched first lol. from: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/235939-no-bug-ffb-issues/ (tldr; it's supposed to work like it is)

VVirus yes I know that, and this is not what I am complaining about...the thing is that...

Magpie•2/7/23, 11:11 PM

I can I ended up just calibrating a way shorter Y axis for this. I calibrated from the seat to maybe 70 percent up

VVirus Also the trim center and the stick position doesn't match with the tomcat...if t...

Hextopia•2/8/23, 2:13 AM

This is how the actual plane is

Hextopia•2/8/23, 2:13 AM

It's because you need far more rearward throw on the stick since you almost never are trying to push over at 5+ negative G's

Hextopia•2/8/23, 2:14 AM

Pretty sure quite a few modern center stick fighters had a design similar to that where forward throw was much smaller than rearward throw

HHextopia This is how the actual plane is

roller25.•2/8/23, 3:39 AM

Yes but the grip has an angle offset to compensate. In the real jet, the stick base is slanted forward, but the grip is perfectly upright and central to your legs.

roller25.•2/8/23, 3:40 AM

The proper fix would be to make an adapter for the Rhino to have the same angle offset rearward.

roller25.•2/8/23, 3:41 AM

It would then match what the stick does in sim.

sydost•2/8/23, 6:01 AM

You could also tilt the Rhino base backwards to compensate the forward stick position. Depends on the mount if it is doable.

GitHub•2/8/23, 6:02 AM

walmis

[VPforce-TelemFFB:master] 1 new commit

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Virus•2/8/23, 7:59 AM

Ok..
About the autopilot...very strange thing....it worked in 2d, but doesn't in VR... don't know if that is the culprit or other parameters

SStal2k Ok, so I just tested mine and it does the same thing. I think that is the way it...

Virus•2/8/23, 8:13 AM

Same exact condition in 2d the AP worked. In VR not...
I need to test more

Bato•2/8/23, 12:56 PM

unit 44 arrived home, the sturdy package was helpful because the delivery man thought it would be a good idea to put the 7kg package on top of a not stable bin

Stoned Kakapo•2/8/23, 3:09 PM

I need the 11 people infront of me to turn me into #45

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:11 PM

How do yo see where you are in the order line?

DDrQuinn How do yo see where you are in the order line?

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:12 PM

type !stats in here

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:12 PM

!stats

DDrQuinn !stats

VPforceBot•2/8/23, 3:12 PM

Hey @naamanf,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0044 on 2023-02-01
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 117 days, median is 116 days, max is 196 days
41 Rhinos are shipped in total

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:13 PM

I only have 241 more to go!

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:14 PM

be there before you know it m8

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:14 PM

it's well worth the wait!

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:14 PM

By then I should have the Brunner dialed in

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:15 PM

what Brunner you got?

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:15 PM

CLS-E and the pedals

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:15 PM

is that the stick or yoke?

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:15 PM

stick

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:16 PM

how are the pedals? what's the peak force on them & do they need plugings to run?

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:17 PM

I really like the pedals, not sure on peak force but I don't find it lacking. It does need the Brunner software to adjust all the settings and link the FFB.

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:17 PM

also what are they like with force trim in heli's

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:17 PM

DCS

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:19 PM

Perfect, I don't have any force on them in helis, they just stay where I put them. Fly helicopters IRL and they do what I want.

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:21 PM

Don't really want any trim on pedals since you are constantly adjusting to keep in trim, haven't actually tried them with a helicopter and autopilot.

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:21 PM

hmm nice, I really want pedals & a yoke, but I think I might go the route of a VPforce kit & some MFG crosswinds & maybe butcher a old logitech yoke or my honeycomb if I get brave enough! lol

DDrQuinn Don't really want any trim on pedals since you are constantly adjusting to keep ...

PiNKSH!T•2/8/23, 3:23 PM

I've wondered that with irl heli's, do the anti torque pedals trim like the stick does? like in Huey in dcs you force trim stick & it stays in new spot, do the pedals do that too?

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:34 PM

Yes pedals should stay where you put them. I'm not sure, but I doubt UH-1s had force trim on the pedals.

DrQuinn•2/8/23, 3:37 PM

Just looked in the -10, they did have pedal force trim.

TheAmazinGreat•2/8/23, 5:25 PM

@walmis, I am interested in a 2x86BLF03 kit but I see on the order form they are backordered. Any idea when more kits will be in stock? If I put in a request now would I be invoiced now or when they are ready to ship?

TTheAmazinGreat @walmis, I am interested in a 2x86BLF03 kit but I see on the order form they are...

walmis•2/8/23, 5:28 PM

86BLF03 are expected to arrive in early march according to supplier. So if you put your order now, I'll invoice you when I'm ready to ship.

@virusam Does the regular AP work without altitude hold? or just can you trim out the airplane in ge

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