yes, i just did. makes no diff. With Huey special setting on default and the VPforce as above, the s

yes, i just did. makes no diff. With Huey special setting on default and the VPforce as above, the stick still wants to go back to center on trim release

PiNKSH!T•2/10/23, 2:44 AM

Yeah I think that might interfere with DCS's FFB, I think it's mainly just for sims like msfs that don't have ffb or force trim. I'm not sure what's going on, if you have no other things running like that force trim setting or the Telemetry app & you have the in-game settings right I'm not sure why it's not working. I'll check it out on my settings when I get the chance

skyPickleOP•2/10/23, 2:45 AM

gnight

SskyPickle yes, i just did. makes no diff. With Huey special setting on default and the VPf...

walmis•2/10/23, 4:39 AM

Also make sure "Forced effect" is not enabled for the spring. That will override DCS's trim.

skyPickleOP•2/10/23, 1:40 PM

Forced effect is disabled for all feedback types. I have enabled spring, damper, friction

Haums•2/11/23, 3:28 PM

can you only activate force trim on pitch?

skyPickleOP•2/11/23, 10:24 PM

problem with MSFS: I calibrated the stick in joy.cpl as well as VPConfigurator. However, in MSFS, it thinks the stick is off to the right.

skyPickleOP•2/11/23, 10:24 PM

HHaums can you only activate force trim on pitch?

skyPickleOP•2/11/23, 10:25 PM

what do you mean? When I release the forced trim button, the stick wants to recenter. Regardless of the special DCS option for the Huey.

SskyPickle what do you mean? When I release the forced trim button, the stick wants to rece...

Haums•2/11/23, 10:46 PM

I mean for flying gliders in other simulators

skyPickleOP•2/12/23, 12:09 AM

force trim does not exist in other airframes. you just trim with dedicated controls

Polack-1•2/12/23, 1:45 AM

Some airplanes have only pitch trim and while it is usually (...trying to thing of an exception for fixed wing, but don't know any, so let's say -- pretty much always) operated with a separate control (wheel, or sometimes switches) it might also move the stick into a new pitch "neutral" position. I assume Rhino supports that?

PPolack-1 Some airplanes have only pitch trim and while it is usually (...trying to thing ...

PiNKSH!T•2/12/23, 3:35 AM

Hey m8, So in something like msfs (you need a 3rd party software to have ffb effects in msfs2020) generally speaking the trim wheel or switch will move the stick to a new 'trimmed position' either forward or back from the center. However most of the 3rd parts apps for ffb in msfs don't have force trim implemented for heli's, this is where you can use the force trim keybind feature from VPforce app. DCS ffb effects depend on the module maker & what they implemented, the Huey & Ka 50 both have 'propper' acting force trim where when you activate the button the stick will loose basically all resistance & once you move it to the desired 'trimmed position' you release the trim button & the stick will stay in the new position as it's center. Other games/sims like IL2 have ffb enabled natively & you also get stick movement with trim. So DCS ffb & trim effects depend on the module unless you use VPforce Telemetry App. MSFS2020 needs a 3rd party app for ffb effects but generally doesn't have force trim for heli's but trim wheels etc. will move the stick in fixed wing. IL2 has good ffb effects all around including stick movement with trim. Basically whatever telemetry can be sent to the RHINO from the sim/game it can turn them into ffb effects.

skyPickleOP•2/12/23, 5:10 AM

The HUEY is not functioning as you describe. Only the Apache has a functioning trim button. When I release the trim button in the Huey, the stick does not stay where I put it but rather goes back to center.

SskyPickle Click to see attachment

walmis•2/12/23, 6:09 AM

Don't do calibration in windows (reset it), Only VPforce app calibration is needed.

SskyPickle force trim does not exist in other airframes. you just trim with dedicated contr...

Haums•2/12/23, 10:58 AM

A lot of gliders have a trim button that changes the pitch trim to the position that the stick is in, that's why I'm asking if you can only activate it for one axis.

HHaums A lot of gliders have a trim button that changes the pitch trim to the position ...

walmis•2/12/23, 11:00 AM

Sure, don't see why you couldn't

Wwalmis Sure, don't see why you couldn't

Haums•2/12/23, 11:01 AM

Is that supported by vpforce software?

skyPickleOP•2/12/23, 5:52 PM

So does the huey module not behave properly? Should I just turn off spring effect for it?

SskyPickle So does the huey module not behave properly? Should I just turn off spring effec...

DrQuinn•2/12/23, 6:13 PM

Not sure about the Huey, but other Bell helicopters I've flown without autopilot IRL, you only use the force trim while on the ground.

SwiftVengeance•2/13/23, 3:35 AM

I can give it a try

SskyPickle So does the huey module not behave properly? Should I just turn off spring effec...

Ye Old Grog•2/13/23, 6:37 AM

I'm thinking it's the in dcs setting. Instead of center trim. I just don't play it enough to say

Wwalmis Do you have "Constant effects" slider turned off by chance?

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 9:59 AM

Hey m8, sorry been busy irl. If I enable the constant Force in the effects tab the stick get's pulled to the back right a few degrees, maybe about 10% or so of the total axis movement, this only seems to happen though when I have the end stops enabled. I can post my screenshots of the settings

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 9:59 AM

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 10:00 AM

walmis•2/13/23, 10:00 AM

Why do you enable constant force?

walmis•2/13/23, 10:01 AM

It's used to counterbalance asymmetric weight, such as Virpil Z extension

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 10:02 AM

ahh ok, sorry I must be misunderstanding when you asked if I have "Constant effects" slider turned off by chance?

walmis•2/13/23, 10:02 AM

It's in the Settings tab

walmis•2/13/23, 10:03 AM

Might need to rename things to be more intuitive

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 10:03 AM

the problem was I'm not getting any feelings in the f18 of taxi & takeoff rumble, basically only feeling AoA buffeting & gun rumble, is this normal or should I change some settings?

Wwalmis Might need to rename things to be more intuitive 🙂

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 10:03 AM

likely more just a me thing

walmis•2/13/23, 10:03 AM

In the settings -> Constant slider should be at max

Wwalmis In the settings -> Constant slider should be at max

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 10:04 AM

ahh ok, I'll give this a go & let you know

Wwalmis In the settings -> Constant slider should be at max

PiNKSH!T•2/13/23, 11:06 AM

feels like it's all working now Walmis, thanks again for helping me out. This thing is just so.....

Wwalmis Jumped in the A-10C free flight and yes it's neutral trim is pitched down about ...

AsBurli•2/13/23, 7:31 PM

I don't quite understand. Is this behavior realistic. If I'm honest, it does bother me. Is it possible to correct this in the DCS settings?

Asdforce•2/13/23, 8:20 PM

For what it's worth, MSFFB-stick behaves the same. Neutral position is forward from center.

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:33 AM

I'm trying to get a handle on some of the telemetry data DCS is sending out. Some aircraft are different than others. So I downloaded and executed Walmis' wonderful VPForce-TelemFFB github. I installed it and got it to run.

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:33 AM

Here for example is some of the output:

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:33 AM

But I want to get a 'recording' to compare various aircraft.

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:34 AM

So I installed teleplot and got it to run as well.

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:35 AM

I know teleplot is working because this command:

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:36 AM

echo "myData:1234" | ncat -u -w5 127.0.0.1 47269 actually results in a chart on a browser window opened to 127.0.0.1:8080 (This is the port that the teleplot server uses.)

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:37 AM

(ncat is the windows version of netcat)

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:38 AM

But when I start Walmis' FFB-telemetry with this:

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:39 AM

>python main.py --teleplot "127.0.0.1:47269" The teleplot browser window stays unchanged-as if it's waiting for data.

skyPickleOP•2/14/23, 1:39 AM

I must be missing something basic and hope someone here can see my mistake-prob a syntax error?

FlatSpin•2/14/23, 2:18 AM

windows firewall?

Khangirey•2/14/23, 2:19 AM

I'm kind of blind, is there a readme for the software? I just got the stick and want to jump in to IL2 immediately

KKhangirey I'm kind of blind, is there a readme for the software? I just got the stick and ...

PiNKSH!T•2/14/23, 2:26 AM

Hey m8 good news is that the RHINO will work out of the box so to say with IL2, IL2 has FFB effects implemented very well including trim moves the stick. What specifically do you need help with m8?

PPiNKSH!T Hey m8 good news is that the RHINO will work out of the box so to say with IL2, ...

Khangirey•2/14/23, 2:27 AM

I'll send you a DM so we don't clog this channel up

yes, i just did. makes no diff. With Huey special setting on default and the VPforce as above, the s

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