well, in that case VKB would build their ffb base long time ago
well, in that case VKB would build their ffb base long time ago
DI think these assholes even sue people for vibro feedback in controllers
Dyeah, nintendo are actually paying them for the fact that switch vibrates when you use touch screen.......
Dthat is such a bullshit...
Dthough I also heard some news that these patents were expired recently... like this summer or something
D
WThey're building their TECS though
WYeah, it cuts power positive wire going to the motors. Position feedback will not work, but usb powered stuff like Grip will continue to work.
WTo answer 1) It's silent, unless you're dogfighting and motors go above 50degC, fans are 60mm ones, not super loud.
Duhm... throttle with ffb?
I'm looking at it but it seems nothing related to ffb at all.
I'm looking at it but it seems nothing related to ffb at all.
D(pedals with ffb when btw lol)
WYou could implement the motor kit into existing pedals though 
Dyeah, maybe in the future because pedals with trimming would be fantastic
WIt's more like haptic throttle with electronic detents, auto movement, etc. Basically subset of FFB.
Dhm, interesting. But I guess no sims supports that and try to move your throttle
Dhm, but still that's cool
D"moving throttle" is one thing and possibly useless, at least for military planes. But having the same device that works differently and for example on one aircraft provides smooth 0-100% while on the other aircraft provides smooth 0-80% and then tactile "bump" for afterburner...
Dor even larger "bump" to simulate breaking wire for WEP or something
Ddamn
WYeah, once you have the actuators in, you can make it work anyhow you want via software.
WFor example it could be possible to make a Rhino into a gear shifter lol.
D"shut up and take my money wait I don't have such amount of money for everything"
Ppretty sure there's a video out there (quick search & I can't find the forum it's on) but basically someone is trying to get the vkb owner to understand the need/benefits of ffb & they even take him on a flight, at the end of the video he still doesn't change his mind on ffb joysticks being a benefit for immersion etc.
Palso the main things that killed ffb joysticks were; more & more games other than flight sims not using joysticks anymore, at around the same time flight sim popularity took a massive dive in the early 2000's, so less games using joysticks, less people playing the sims that still used it & then there's always the factor not everyone wanted a ffb joystick. I believe the patent troll "Immersion Corp" had a small hand in it also being that anyone that did want to make a ffb joystick using any of those designs would also have to pay for the patent. So ffb ended up being a niche product in a niche market & that's not something big companies that could afford a patent fee want to get into & it's enough to keep out small companies. The whole patent troll thing is arguable about it's effects from what I've seen on the subject.
AThey expired.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hotas/comments/bmnr8f/as_of_today_immersion_corps_force_feedback/
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I have a really fun game I play were whenever I find the TECS mentioned I tell ppl that it was a joke from VKB that got out of hand & there isn't really a TECS being built. It's so funny to see the reactions of ppl, some believe me, some don't & get angry & most just laughWAlso TECS get's delayed by 2 weeks everytime it's mentioned. TECS.
Phttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aOr4thXyqA&ab_channel=PcmciaKai FF Shifter is the software
YouTubePcmciaKai
I set up my Microsoft Force Feedback 2 with the FFShifter program by Andreas Panos and drove in "Live For Speed". Note, that I didn't concentrate at all on driving, in next videos I will think of a way to mount my phone cam. :P
Get LFS:
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Download FFShifter:
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Get LFS:
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Dpretty opposite though
Dafter that flight he said that yeah, ffb is a must
Dand because of that there was a hope
AFFB never really went away if you include steering wheels in the mix
Athe big problem with flight sim FFB was the choice of hardcore hotas stuff such as cougars, warthogs & CH stuff vs. typically simpler ffb sticks
Awhen you split a small niche of hardcore weirdos who would potentially buy an ffb stick into stick functions vs ffb groups, there's not very many left to keep force stuffs going
AWow.. i just found this today.. lovely initiative. i've been wanting my own force-feedback stick now for a couple of years... my brother had one back in the day.. i tried to figure out the price by looking in the FAQ section but i couldn't work it out.. any indication how much we're looking at here?
KWhat is the price of the VPforce RHIINO FFB Base?
The RHINO costs 800€ + shipping
The first line of the FAQ
Or do you mean a motorsez
The RHINO costs 800€ + shipping
The first line of the FAQ
Or do you mean a motorsez
Aumm.. is the 800euro with motors or not?
Aor are the motors som option?
K800 for a rhino
Please read the FAQ carefully for further information
Please read the FAQ carefully for further information
WThis is for the complete, plug-and-play base (without grip)
PHas anyone here got any experience with Komodo Simulations sim gear?
AYeah, it’s frankly awful
ASpent only €100 less than what a Rhino base would cost for a B8 cyclic and base
AThe base couldn’t keep the cyclic in place as advertised, and the grip was sub Saitek quality
AI’ve not heard of a single satisfied Komodo customer in the ten years since that disappointing experience
PAhh ok I checked them out a while back maybe 2 yrs & just having a look again now it seem they've changed the 3d printing they used to have for a nylon/resin print, looks a bit better quality. The price is crazy though! It's just a shame cause they have such a good collection, the Apache collective & cyclic grips & the ones for the Kiowa would be great to have. Shame their collective/cyclic grips don't use the thrustmaster style connection & could work with Virpil collective/joystick bases. I'd love to have a VPforce adapter for their joystick grips to fit the RHINO base.
AI suppose it’s easy to offer a wide range of products if you don’t have too many qualms about quality
Pyeah for sure, can't understand how they justify such high prices too if the quality is so bad, like if the money isn't going into high quality buttons & switches then where? lol
AVPC is planning an Apache collective in Q3
AI’m guessing it’s just down to the costs of running a business in Western Europe/America as opposed to Eastern Europe/China
AAnd garage operations obv don’t really get enough orders to benefit from mass production
