Hey @walmis, I currently have a 24V, 10A Power Supply for the 57BLF03 motors. Do you think it would

Hey @walmis,

I currently have a 24V, 10A Power Supply for the 57BLF03 motors. Do you think it would make sense to upgrade to something like 20A? Or is there some sort of Limit on how much the Motors can take?

Thanks!

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:50 PM

A version with less angle could use a bigger wheel to get more power?

AndyHill•2/18/23, 5:55 PM

Possibly yes, but it would also probably need to be bigger, because the current wheels are pretty much as big as you can fit

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:59 PM

5 more cm in height

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:59 PM

For the "short Travel version"

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 5:59 PM

Would be perfect

AndyHill•2/18/23, 6:27 PM

making the small wheel smaller might also be an option, unless we're close to practical minimum size or something

AndyHill•2/18/23, 6:28 PM

however, I don't know if the size of the wheels has anything to do with throw, since the motors can do several (unlimited?) rotations

AndyHill•2/18/23, 6:28 PM

I think It's going to be more of a factor of speed vs strength

DeltaVJ•2/18/23, 6:46 PM

yes that's two independent thing, but i was thinking of it to compensate the extension that would be use with a short angle verison

LLeLv30_Superbus Geezus with the trigger folded I need 20 cm space 😬 I need a longer base plate...

mechsicko•2/18/23, 7:19 PM

Planes with long shafts don’t use high displacement irl, usually more like +-15 to 17deg.. long throws are not needed with long levers plus they interfere with cockpit ergonomics as you are discovering

Lleninjahd Hey @walmis, I currently have a 24V, 10A Power Supply for the 57BLF03 motors. D...

mechsicko•2/18/23, 8:52 PM

24v is marginal for the drive, though your psu is plenty powerful

JakeSixx33 | 744 |•2/18/23, 10:08 PM

@walmis Is it possible to limit throw length thru the software? Or could it be added? The Hornet only has 2.5 inches of forward throw and 5" to the rear on an arm of 18.58" to the reference point on the grip.

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 1:20 AM

this might have been asked already, but to the rhino and rhino kit owners, do you see much of a benefit using an extension, or without on this base?

SStoned Kakapo this might have been asked already, but to the rhino and rhino kit owners, do yo...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:40 AM

I can only answer for using an extension. The RHINO has a huge throw on it even without the extension, depending on how you sit in relation to the base the forward throw can be almost too much with the extension (200mm Curved VKB). Software Endstops are great for this though, but a series of physical plates with the different end stops would be even better for that definite clunk when hitting axis end, even just one plate that reduces the forward throw a bit would be good. Tbh I'd rather have the extra throw to play with & use end stops, Walmis is still working on implementing the software end stops even better. Having said all this I do believe the RHINO has enough throw on it you don't have to have an extension if you need to mount it higher & one won't fit, I mean compared to a normal joystick without extension the RHINO's throw is huge & comparing the RHINO with an extension to a VKB/style base with one, it's still a fair bit bigger.

JJakeSixx33 | 744 |@walmis Is it possible to limit throw length thru the software? Or could it be a...

C4N4DN•2/19/23, 2:44 AM

You can limit the throw and it will auto adjust the axis. Even a non linear throw. I have mine set to 50% less forward and about 20% less side to side throw. Walmis is a very talented man!

Reed•2/19/23, 2:44 AM

Matching the throw from the Rhino with the throw from the in game aircraft so its 1:1 and realistic. I only fly helicopters, so this will be important, especially concerning trim.

CC4N4DN You can limit the throw and it will auto adjust the axis. Even a non linear thro...

Vulcan•2/19/23, 3:13 AM

What settings did you set to achieve this? I'd like to give it a shot

VVulcan What settings did you set to achieve this? I'd like to give it a shot

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 3:15 AM

go into the effects tab, look for the End Stops box, you can change the settings there & tick the box that says 'Rescale Axis'

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 3:16 AM

the % in there you change is the % of total throw you want, so 10% is only going to give you 10% of total travel distance, 50% gives you half travel etc.

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 3:17 AM

you can set it so the + & - of the axis are asymmetric

Ragnar•2/19/23, 9:31 AM

@stonedkakapo I went from VKB with 20cm extension, to Rhino without. Ballpark similar and never felt need to add extension with Rhino (flying a mix of helo's and planes from all gen's)

Magpie•2/19/23, 9:44 AM

I added the virpil extension

Magpie•2/19/23, 9:44 AM

It just felt weird without one

Magpie•2/19/23, 9:44 AM

And I just limited the axis

RRagnar @stonedkakapo I went from VKB with 20cm extension, to Rhino without. Ballpark si...

Volk•2/19/23, 9:53 AM

reading that from a second person makes me very happy on not getting an extension

AndyHill•2/19/23, 11:10 AM

The Rhino basically comes with a built-in extension and the throw is huge so there's less need for extensions

AndyHill•2/19/23, 11:11 AM

if you add a vkb or ww adapter, it becomes even taller

SStoned Kakapo this might have been asked already, but to the rhino and rhino kit owners, do yo...

ju_caesar•2/19/23, 11:28 AM

The problem with an additional extension will also be that the force you feel at the stick will be smaller because you have a bigger lever with which you pull on the gimbal.

Jju_caesar The problem with an additional extension will also be that the force you feel at...

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 1:58 PM

Would it be that noticeable even with those big motors?

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 1:59 PM

Thanks for all the replies guys! I'm regretting having that virpil extension on back order since January now

SStoned Kakapo Thanks for all the replies guys! I'm regretting having that virpil extension on ...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:02 PM

no need to regret it m8, I use the 200mm extension & I still feel enough force from it & still haven't put the master gain up past 90%. I can get the stick feeling really stiff for flying warbirds, of course without the extra leverage you'll feel a bit more, but I don't think it's enough of a difference to worry about m8

Reed•2/19/23, 2:31 PM

I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plenty of throw. Only issue I see is wearing out belt and motors earlier.

RReed I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plent...

ju_caesar•2/19/23, 2:34 PM

Why would that wear out the belt and motor faster?

RReed I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plent...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:34 PM

hey m8, from what I understand the motors have no contacting parts & therefore should be extremely resistant to wear. Also with the size of the RHINO itself & the fact it's already pretty much got a small extension, maybe only like 50mm or so I'd be surprised if you needed a 35cm extension or that it could even be too high for your seat. Obviously you know more about your set up than me though

Jju_caesar Why would that wear out the belt and motor faster?

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:35 PM

maybe thinking that having the extra leverage might give more potential for pulling too hard against the ffb

ju_caesar•2/19/23, 2:38 PM

Well, the force and therefore the wear on the belt is limited by the resistance the motor can put up, and that is limited by the Nm it can produce. That force does not change with a bigger extension.

Jju_caesar Well, the force and therefore the wear on the belt is limited by the resistance ...

PiNKSH!T•2/19/23, 2:53 PM

right, well there you go nothing to worry about with wearing the motors any extra

AndyHill•2/19/23, 3:00 PM

well you might get away with lower settings and thus less stress if you had less leverage

RReed I’ll be using a 35cm curbed extension for a helo sim pit. I know I’ll have plent...

Stoned Kakapo•2/19/23, 3:45 PM

if you dont mind me asking, which extension is this?

SStoned Kakapo if you dont mind me asking, which extension is this?

Reed•2/19/23, 5:07 PM

eBay curved special.

Reed•2/19/23, 5:09 PM

The 35cm will be needed. Below the virpil base is a few inches and I’ll need to floor mount it. I may need to cut off an inch or less. Just need the rhino here to test fit.

Reed•2/19/23, 5:10 PM

Yes aggressive movements are made when flying helicopters noe and during combat. So I don’t want to over stress the motors and belts etc when pushing against trim or ffb.

Mmechsicko Planes with long shafts don’t use high displacement irl, usually more like +\-15...

LeLv30_Superbus•2/19/23, 5:33 PM

Thanks this was something I had not thought of. I pondered this all day; the curved shaft looks so cool, I need all the accuracy I can get if I'm ever going to succeed in aerial refueling and also my chair is an Ikea so I do need a bend. Buttkicker broke a metal part in the chair on Friday - my second chair destroyed by BK - so I could get a different one which I could modify. But then I would also have to redesign my K-51 collective mounting

I mean I love building my cockpit but there is just too much going on rn

. I think I'll make the front panel distance adjustable now. I can pull it back closer if I give up the extension later.

LLeLv30_Superbus Thanks this was something I had not thought of. I pondered this all day; the cur...

mechsicko•2/19/23, 8:01 PM

You're welcome. There's some great discussion on this above, like the bit with the F18. Deflections are measured in grip displacement, not angular displacement and it has half the forward travel as back. You can set the digital endstops wherever you like so you can properly tailor the throw to any setup.

High deflection angles also get challenging with grip angle, at the extents the ergonomy of button reaches is different than neutral. This is all stuff rl designers have to wrestle with.. the panel needs to be within reach when strapped in so controls geometry is chosen accordingly. This is why many planes have a notch cutout on the front of the seat, offset shafts etc.

Admiral Nomura•2/19/23, 9:28 PM

!status

AAdmiral Nomura !status

VPforceBot•2/19/23, 9:28 PM

Hey @admiralnomura,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0052 on 2023-02-17
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 132 days, median is 138 days, max is 209 days
49 Rhinos are shipped in total

DirtMerchant•2/20/23, 1:56 AM

hey does anyone else have issues with IL2 dropping FFB sometimes?

DirtMerchant•2/20/23, 1:56 AM

it just goes slack on me with the MSFFB2 Im running

WhereNoLarkFlew•2/20/23, 2:08 AM

Probably overworking it

DirtMerchant•2/20/23, 2:27 AM

not likely, it goes in DCS for hours without issue

Hey @walmis, I currently have a 24V, 10A Power Supply for the 57BLF03 motors. Do you think it would

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