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RHINO #0058 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0058 Has Shipped!
WSo this can all be done while DCS is running. IDK exactly how the different grips work, but I'm thinking like F16 grip has buttons 1-20 doing whatever and I can map that in DCS. Then can I just pull it off and have the F18 grip on with its own buttons 1-20 mapped to whatever on a different plane? Or would there be more involved?
Also do you support the axis function for virpil grips?
Also do you support the axis function for virpil grips?
MAxis is fine on virpil
MAnd there’s axis to button too
MOn the thumb controller
MSo I can use it for a10 stuff
KCan someone attest to the IL-2 having an inaccurate FFB implementation? I recall watching a discussion on a Russian channel about this issue.
Essentially, the way that IL-2 simulates loadings on the stick (for springed joysticks), is to require you to pull back more on the physical stick as a way to simulate a stiffening of control surfaces.
When FFB is enabled, this phenomenon persists, leading to an uneven force requirement as you pull back.
Essentially, the way that IL-2 simulates loadings on the stick (for springed joysticks), is to require you to pull back more on the physical stick as a way to simulate a stiffening of control surfaces.
When FFB is enabled, this phenomenon persists, leading to an uneven force requirement as you pull back.
Adefine Il-2
KIL-2 BoX
AOk I've tried that one
ABasically what you get is stiffening response as the airflow (speed) increases
Athe effect seems to reach its maximum at a fairly mediocre speeds
KI mean I understand that, my point is that the way it is coded seems to be set up for springed joysticks
AI do recall similar thing about requirement for larger stick movements from the original Il-s
A2
Kto simulate increased force required to pull back the stick, the game instead has you pull back more (instead of harder, since that is impossible on springed sticks)
Kif that makes sense
Kwhereas DCS seems to be accurate
AI can't say exactly how it works in the BoX, I haven't tested that accurately
Ado note that as far as non-hydraulic surfaces go, rhino is kind of comparable to sticks with springs in that it just can't give you the kind of force that would actually prevent you from pulling all you can get from the stick
Athe sim will always have to limit you in software
Kas an additional problem I'm trying to work out, it seems the stick position is wonky with the BF-109s in the game
Even with full trim forward, I'm having to constantly hold forward pressure to keep it flying straight and level
but... that's a minor problem
Even with full trim forward, I'm having to constantly hold forward pressure to keep it flying straight and level
but... that's a minor problem
AI noticed the same thing once
AI didn't have that much time so I decided to test another time and couldn't reproduce the issue
AI had it happen on an fw, though
Ahaven't tested 109s for a while
Kthankfully, IL-2 recently added a feature that lets you change the "zero" position of a neutral stick
Kthis was probably done to help with the Fokker dr. 1 which requires massive stick forward
Kbut idk if changing the zero position will mess with FFB, I'll have to test it
Adr1 with max force rhino is a tiring experience for both the stick and the pilot
Pall I can say about IL2 BoX and FFB is that I couldn't enjoy RHINO with it, it felt pretty unnatural and I couldn't put my finger on where the issue lied. Maybe it's just the FFB or maybe it's a combination of their poor FM + the FFB + trying to holistically compare it against DCS's experience. The biggest pet peeve I have with IL2 and really the reason why I stopped playing it altogether (after 5yrs and 2k+ hours) is the ridiculous pitch up/down sensitivity of ANY airframe at slow speeds, i.e. including JU88, Ju52, A20, etc etc. like they weight absolutely nothing, have zero longitudal inertia, and have the elevator control surface areas the size of the main wings. On a non-ffb joystick I could (and did) train myself not to jerk the vertical axis to avoid this fm nonsense, but on the FFB I was looking for the proper feedback to this behavior and there was none, so it broke the immersion even further..
SIL2 is way better at FFB than DCS-which is buggy for helicopters at least
SI use curves on IL2 - the little sensitivity thing in the key settings
SAnd now that it has per airframe settings it's much more friendly to flying different airframes without rebinding nonsense- always an arduous chore
Pit's nothing to do with sensitivity and everything to do with a poor fm.
Pthat's a very strange comparison.
Syeah after trying il2 last night I can agree there is something strange with the way things feel
Sand the ffb wasnt too great. In dcs when your pulling too hard the shaking feels precise and sharp but in il2 I almost couldn't feel it. And I had all the shaking set to 100% while in dcs I have to lower it down because its too strong.
Swhat bug did encounter in dcs?
RThere’s no chance of getting an 04 for pitch and a smaller motor for roll in a hardware kit is there? Do the two motors need to be matched?
Sthere's only 1 entry for amperage to the motors in the configurator per motor pair. i suppose you could get 2 separate driver boards and accomplish the different settings that way. walmis would know for sure. might depend on the game, if its smart enough to send pitch and roll to 2 devices. xpforce can do it for msfs, i have a 2nd board with a big motor for rudder.
RI suspected it was global not per channel but figured I’d ask. For packaging in a yoke particularly a smaller Roll would be handy.
Sreleasing the trim button does not result in the stick staying where i put it. In the huey it moves back to the center. REgardless of the option i choose in the special settings in dcs
SIt seems to be a weird problem you got there. I have been trying to reproduce your problem but no luck. Do you happen to have forced effect on for spring effect in VPForce configurator? That option stops the force trim from working. Does the stick become loose if you hold the trimmer button pressed or is the centering spring force active also when the trimmer is held down? Earlier you mentioned that you had trouble with the Apache trimmer also. Have you got that fixed?
SCould you send a picture of your VPForce effects and settings tabs? Got to go to sleep now but I’ll check those tomorrow and see if I can help fix the problem.
SIt worked for me. Set the special settings to default.
Si uploaded my vpconf file in support. only thing s enabled are spring, inertia, damper and friction. no force checkboxes are checked. stick becomes loose when trimmer is pressed. default setting in special tab gives similar results to the 'center' setting.
DRHINO arrived just now, but the unboxing will have to wait until Sunday
SSOLVED. Curves on the axes in DCS messes up the way the Rhino interprets trim. Thing is, I like curves. on my stick and on my women