in rust many things are dependent on wgpu, but webgpu is a separate web standard for web apps and th
in rust many things are dependent on wgpu, but webgpu is a separate web standard for web apps and that sort of thing
Kalso mentioning servo in that diagram is laughable at best
Lit was kicked off again with funding recently
Kkicked off*
Lyup that is how i spelled it 
Dright, but just to make sure I understand, wgpu-native is the implementation for desktop, then there's browsers that have to do it themselves, and that's basically it? I'd assume wgpu can also run on (as in provide the webgpu API) mobile since vulkan/metal backend?
Kyes? I'm not sure, I'm just saying that wgpu is so good that many rust projects just also use it as an abstraction
Kbut webgpu is largely unrelated
KI mean wgpu is just an implementation detail of webgpu iirc
Lwgpu-native isnt the implementation for desktop, wgpu-core and wgpu-hal is, wgpu-native just provides the agreed upon standard C interface for WebGPU
Lusing wgpu-core
Las kai said wgpu is an implementation detail
Lwe also support Dawn
Lto replace wgpu
Dyou mean unrelated organizationally right? like practically speaking wgpu implements the webgpu API
Kno they are just unrelated
Lunrelated conceptually
Kit's an implementation detail
L^
Kas much as... idk amdgpu and vulkan
Kthey are related as in they are in the same field, but they aren't tied directly to each other
Kthey have an interface where they exchange things
Kbut they are just different things
Kone is an implementation detail of another
Lwebgpu-native is an API
wgpu-native and Dawn are implementers
the projects are not directly related
wgpu-native and Dawn are implementers
the projects are not directly related
Lyou can just swap wgpu-native and Dawn out and ideally everything should still just work in your app
Dmaybe I'm stupid but the wgpu readme literally says "Safe and portable GPU abstraction in Rust, implementing WebGPU API." ... how is it unrelated if it implements the webgpu API
I get that it's rust and not C and you can't swap it out for another webgpu implementation, but like ... "it's the same thing, but in rust?"
I get that it's rust and not C and you can't swap it out for another webgpu implementation, but like ... "it's the same thing, but in rust?"
DI get that it's not direct bindings
Dand that it has RAII while the C API does not
Limplementing an API does not make you related to said original project
KThe AMDVLK readme literally says "The AMD Open Source Driver for Vulkan® is an open-source Vulkan driver for ...", but vulkan is still an indepentend concept and if your app works with vulkan, it'll work just fine regardless of AMDVLK/amdgpu or whatever else
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DI get it's not the same project
Lyes, webgpu-native is an API definition
wgpu-naitve is software
wgpu-naitve is software
Kok maybe this will clarify, it'll be hard to understand wgpu without understanding webgpu
Kbut webgpu is completely understandable without wgpu
Kso webgpu is conceptually, as well as organizationally, as well as whatever else, unrelated to wgpu
Dmaybe we have a different meaning of the word unrelated ... opengl and directx are unrelated to me, if I'm using wgpu, I'm literally reading the webgpu spec to understand how some things work
Lhttps://github.com/webgpu-native/webgpu-headers
these are the raw headers for webgpu-native, it is only an API specification
these are the raw headers for webgpu-native, it is only an API specification
Dokay so if I say "wgpu is a nice high level wrapper around a webgpu implementation", is that accurate?
Lno
Lwgpu (without the -native) is a Rust API unrelated to webgpuLwgpu-native is an implementation of the webgpu-native API
Lweb engines like gecko, will for example wgpu-core or wgpu-native or Dawn directly to implement the webgpu API
Lnote the webgpu API is not the same as the webgpu-native API
Dokay maybe it's just obvious and I'm missing it but ... how is the wgpu API and webgpu API different on a fundamental level, other than wgpu is "safe wrappers with RAII and stuff"?
DI get that it's not the same exact API as the C headers
Dbut wgpu bind groups and webgpu bind groups are the same bind groups? etc.
Lwgpu is not "safe wrappers" of WebGPU
Lwgpu does not use wgpu-native