Silk.NET•3y ago

WHY IS THIS A THNG SWEET JESUS

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:26 PM

maybe also unary ! operator too idk

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 4:26 PM

so if the implementation is crap you could actually have (thing && !thing) == true(thing && !thing) == true

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:27 PM

yes

PPerksey WHY IS THIS A THNG SWEET JESUS

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:27 PM

this is the appropriate reaction imo lol

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:27 PM

idk where i learned about this cursed stuff but there ya go

Howie•4/8/23, 4:28 PM

double barrel foot gun there!

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:28 PM

as for why its a thing probably something to do with implicit casts and stuff like the ?: operator not working nicely, idk

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:29 PM

that thing has been in the spec since at least 2011 probs earlier

MasterMan•4/8/23, 4:34 PM

Either override the ! operator, or add an "IsValid" function, or both

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:35 PM

the real answer is to just add an IsValid property yeah

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 4:35 PM

yeah i think so too

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 4:58 PM

though cursed "dylan's 3.0 headcannon" fact: I am currently thinking of adding a NullPtrNullPtr type that can be used to check all this. basically i want 3.0 (in my head, this isn't official yet) to be super seamless to interact with from C# but there's just some things we can't do in the language, so silk.net.core would contain a mini DSL that makes working with unsafe better

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 4:58 PM

i.e. you could do

var x = (int*)1;
Ptr<int> y = (int*)2;
var z = new ComPtr<IUnknown>((IUnknown*)3);
Console.WriteLine(x == nullptr);
Console.WriteLine(y == nullptr);
Console.WriteLine(z == nullptr);

var x = (int*)1;
Ptr<int> y = (int*)2;
var z = new ComPtr<IUnknown>((IUnknown*)3);
Console.WriteLine(x == nullptr);
Console.WriteLine(y == nullptr);
Console.WriteLine(z == nullptr);

khitiara•4/8/23, 4:59 PM

not a bad idea tbh

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 5:02 PM

basically they made a massive mistake making global using static Silk.NET.Core.DSL.SilkDSL;global using static Silk.NET.Core.DSL.SilkDSL; possible

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 5:02 PM

because unless the user turns it off, we can decorate the C# language with a bunch of new """keywords""" that are tailored to unsafe uses

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 5:03 PM

here's a cursed prototype i came up with just now https://sharplab.io/#v2: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=

khitiara•4/8/23, 5:07 PM

mhm

PPerksey because unless the user turns it off, we can decorate the C# language with a bun...

chairclr•4/8/23, 5:10 PM

what the fu

Howie•4/8/23, 5:29 PM

wow

Machinarius•4/8/23, 6:47 PM

Am I correct in assuming that OpenGL will treat raw vertexes without model or projection matrices as clip-space coords? [-1, 1]

MMachinarius Am I correct in assuming that OpenGL will treat raw vertexes without model or pr...

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 6:49 PM

yup

PPerksey here's a cursed prototype i came up with just now <https://sharplab.io/#v2:CYLg1...

TechPizza•4/8/23, 7:01 PM

oh no, a static readonly instead of a static property when

TechPizza•4/8/23, 7:01 PM

i actually ported msvc std source to c# with a Ref<T>Ref<T> helper lol

TechPizza•4/8/23, 7:02 PM

it was basically a refref that acted as a pointer

TTechPizza i actually ported msvc std source to c# with a `Ref<T>` helper lol

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 7:18 PM

Yeah this is basically what I’m thinking, but I just need to figure out how we can have a Ref-like struct in a non-ref struct

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 7:19 PM

otherwise you can’t have Ptr<VkBaseOutStructure> and other common patterns

FFurball dxvk exists but idk if the developer experience on linux would be great

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 8:17 PM

you have access to renderdoc and a debugger, so it's really workable

PPerksey you awoken the era of graphics i've been trying to pretend doesn't exist 😂

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:11 PM

https://github.com/Furball-Engine/Furball.Vixie/blob/master/Furball.Vixie.Backends.OpenGL/FixedFunctionOpenGLRenderer.cs
when

GitHub

Furball.Vixie/FixedFunctionOpenGLRenderer.cs at master · Furball-En...

A Multi API Renderer specifically designed to be integrated into Furball, aswell as providing good Hardware support - Furball.Vixie/FixedFunctionOpenGLRenderer.cs at master · Furball-Engine/Furbal...

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:13 PM

if you think about it FFP is better than modern OpenGL as it has display lists

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:13 PM

so its basically vulkan with command lists

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 9:13 PM

NO BAD

PPerksey NO BAD

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:13 PM

OKAY BUT DISPLAY LISTS IN MODERN OPENGL WOULD BE SO NICE

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:13 PM

i know theres nv_command_list but its nv only

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:14 PM

FFP OpenGL does have SOME things going for it

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:14 PM

the ability to disconnect recording draw commands from execution is something that OpenGL should have kept

TechPizza•4/8/23, 9:14 PM

funnily enough, recorded display lists on nvidia in legacygl seem pretty good

TechPizza•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

the only problem is that conditional rendering is a no-go

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

yeah on my ol 1050ti my FFP code was shockingly fast

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

it was 10x slower

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

but

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

thats still

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

really fast

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

with my engine

TechPizza•4/8/23, 9:15 PM

i mean, take minecraft beta for example. it recorded chunks to display lists i think

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:16 PM

yeah i think it did

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 9:16 PM

it's weird that amd hasn't tried implementing nv_command_list

Lyris the Kitori•4/8/23, 9:16 PM

PerkseyOP•4/8/23, 9:16 PM

they implemented WGL_NV_dx_interop

WHY IS THIS A THNG SWEET JESUS

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