So aviodev can implement ffb but razbums can't be bothered?
So aviodev can implement ffb but razbums can't be bothered?
NMore likely that none of the razbam crew have an FFB stick
Jdont have, and dont know how or what its supposed to feel like is stated reasons
Jall of which are definitely fixable on their end they just cba
JThe only Razbam module I really really want is the M2000C, but there's so many other wonderful modules I already own to play around in first
DM2000c can't have ffb since it's a full fbw plane, only thing would be the elastic limit on pitch axis
Hon the order page, what is the difference between the vpforce order request and the vpforce rhino preorder? thanks
Hthe first page is for accessories?
W!status
VHey @warwolf09,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0079 on 2023-04-12
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 154 days, median is 191 days, max is 216 days
78 Rhinos are shipped in total
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0079 on 2023-04-12
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 154 days, median is 191 days, max is 216 days
78 Rhinos are shipped in total
H800 for the rhino is with or without vat ?
Jwithout
Jthats base price for everyone
Jbefore vat, shipping, import fees, etc.
HThis is the price in euros ?
Jit says euros yes
J#
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faqHOK thanks. In France that would lead to 960€ with vat then.
W800€ is the final price for everyone
MHas anyone had any success with this system and WinWing sticks?
VYes it works as you would expect
LNope, it's a VKB
MSo only after many hours of cussing, crying and praying to the Machine God? 
VIts set it and forget it, I think the only issues people have reported in here with the winwing adapter is not having a winwing base to change stick settings that get written to the grip, like if your axis is acting as a button but you want it to be an axis
VNot really a fault of the adapter
MYes have both the F18 and F16/A-10 Grip, like them both but pref the F16 Grip
AOh well, rather (or rather, extremely) similar!
Not giving you too much throw then?
Not giving you too much throw then?
SI offered to send them a ffb stick for the harrier, all I got were crickets. So I second the razbum sentiment
LYes Rhino has luxurious throw, but I planned ahead (images if you scroll back). I did order a throw limiter too, but I forgot to ask for any left-right limit 
so I just use software end-stops. They work just fine! I can even calibrate the entire throw if needed, because my front panel is hinged and my legs move out of the way. But if your simpit hardware gets in the way, definitely print a limiter or order one with your Rhino, it's just 5€.
so I just use software end-stops. They work just fine! I can even calibrate the entire throw if needed, because my front panel is hinged and my legs move out of the way. But if your simpit hardware gets in the way, definitely print a limiter or order one with your Rhino, it's just 5€.L(And my Ikea chair isn't bolted down either.)
AYeah, not many numbers off now, but can't figure out a way to calculate what limits to specify
LHey guys. I just put through a reservation. There was a category called accessories. Is that accessories that will come with the base or which accessories we already have?
INo tax just shipping which was 86.67 euros that plus the 35 base equaled 919.67 euro
IAnd it came within a few days of paying
GHi, is there anyone from China or Asia have purchased one? Not sure whether the shipping is available or not.
SIs this price expected to increase between now and my order #200 ish
SHeres a question chaps. In the simracing world there are two schools of thought for FFB, Realistic and Immersive. Realistic is the feedback you’d actually expect from the wheel. Immersive makes up for the lack of motion/other feelings by amplifying effects through the stick.
Now, on an ffb flight stick, would you prefer realistic (FBW stick feels dead, warbird stick super shaky and gets harder over time) OR immersive (Feeling the runway bumps through the stick, feeling higher speed being harder to move even with fbw planes, increased stall buffets, damage pulls, really anything that you might normally feel through the plane not the stick)
Now, on an ffb flight stick, would you prefer realistic (FBW stick feels dead, warbird stick super shaky and gets harder over time) OR immersive (Feeling the runway bumps through the stick, feeling higher speed being harder to move even with fbw planes, increased stall buffets, damage pulls, really anything that you might normally feel through the plane not the stick)
WI would say unlikely 
S
i am very hyped. Even if i have like, half a year to a year until i get mineWPersonally I like the additional effects, I'd like to imagine some of the 'immersive' effects would transfer from the airframe to the stick.
SIn some aircraft yes, in others no. But i 100% am on team immersive here. Im getting no other feedback other than the stick, so it needs to create that feeling of the aircraft but not overpower the trim/buffets etc from the stick itself. 
Phey m8, for me personally it's a mix of realism & immersion. I like the ability to configure the stick/base to act or 'feel' as realistic as possible for each aircraft flown whether that be having an asymmetric Y axis for modern jets, making the stick feel lighter for fbw & heavier for warbird & non fbw jets & also proper force trim in helis all the physical sort of stuff realism wise. But then I also like to have some of the less realistic ffb effects come through the stick, like Walmis said some of these effects might be felt more through the actual aircraft or the seat or pilot body itself. Some effects could be removed from the stick as other haptic feedback things like butt-kickers & jetseat are added. All in all the amount you can configure the Rhino & it's related telem app etc. is just amazing & will ultimately enhance the users sense of realism & immersion. 
SI cant remember the last time i was so excited for a flight sim product. This has the makings of a game-changer for the industry. I hope he has a patent out for how it works because the big guys will notice soon
PYeah the Rhino has been an absolute game changer for myself I went from the vkb GF3 base with mcgu/kg12 & 200mm curved extension, that was an insane feeling base coming from the x56 & x52pro before, but the change from gf3 to Rhino was even more game changing. Yeah it'd be good if the big guys like virpil, vkb & Winwing or even logitech 
got onto the ffb thing, given the fact flight sims & space sims are making a come back in the gaming community also it might help to see the popularity of a product like the Rhino.
got onto the ffb thing, given the fact flight sims & space sims are making a come back in the gaming community also it might help to see the popularity of a product like the Rhino.SI’m going from a T16000M, imagjne how I feel!
SOnly if Walmis licences his way of doing it to them! Would hate to see the big guns steamroller the guy that actually innovated here.
Pyeah, I mean you might notice some difference
SJust a teeeny tiny one
DI couldn’t agree more with this, I like to set realistic motion/range of motion so when flying the stick in simulation represents the same as close as possible and on the flip side I enjoy the immersive feel like weapon release obviously is not realistic for all planes and may not be realistic for some warbirds etc, but damn does it feel good to pull a trigger and it go brrt.
I cant wait to get both jetseat & b-kicker, and eventually when supported pedals
Also simple thing like pointctrl adds immersiveness without feedback, would be nice if there was a rumble motor or somethibg to simulate weightiness when flicking toggles/switches but its pretty nifty
I cant wait to get both jetseat & b-kicker, and eventually when supported pedals
Also simple thing like pointctrl adds immersiveness without feedback, would be nice if there was a rumble motor or somethibg to simulate weightiness when flicking toggles/switches but its pretty nifty
DWould love a g-seat to simulate g forces as well
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RHINO #0080 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0080 Has Shipped!