Hi Knight, I have just installed my Butt Kicker Gamer Plus to my Mosntertech Helicopter Cockpit Simu

Hi Knight, I have just installed my Butt Kicker Gamer Plus to my Mosntertech Helicopter Cockpit Simulator. Take a look as to how I installed mine and you and other members may have some ideas of their own.

Virus•5/21/23, 7:50 AM

it seems the Strike Eagle will surprisingly have ffb support

Virus•5/21/23, 7:50 AM

from the GR preview video

AndyHill•5/21/23, 11:32 AM

I'm beginning to think that someone at ED may already have received a Rhino or other compensation

AndyHill•5/21/23, 11:33 AM

I thought of doing some stress testing with the 16, since that thing can pull of pretty impressive sustained turn performance in a dogfight

AndyHill•5/21/23, 11:33 AM

For some reason the elevator axis on it feels lighter than the aileron axis, though, which would reduce the stress significantly

Anthony•5/21/23, 11:46 AM

I mean

Anthony•5/21/23, 11:46 AM

It’s not like FFB didn’t exist before the Rhino

Ye Old Grog•5/21/23, 1:26 PM

You would almost think it didn't with some of the sims support though

Ye Old Grog•5/21/23, 1:27 PM

Hell, MS made one but doesn't have native support in their sim!?

Anthony•5/21/23, 1:34 PM

Yeah I mean

Anthony•5/21/23, 1:35 PM

Even DCS is barebones

Anthony•5/21/23, 1:35 PM

Hoping we’ll see some change

BB9 Hi Knight, I have just installed my Butt Kicker Gamer Plus to my Mosntertech Hel...

mechsicko•5/21/23, 6:43 PM

When I mounted my BK Mini (same exciter as Gamer) like this I could barely feel it. It was weak af till I used the side flange on an 'amplification arm' to mimick how it works on the Gamer2. I've seen people use a 15/16 impact socket bolted to a t-slot to mount the Gamer2 to, which would also work for the one you have. Without having any ability to move (ie hard mounted to the frame by its bottom flange) it reduced the impact almost to nothing. I eventually upgraded to a Clark TST209 and it's way more powerful even off the same 100w amp I have

AAnthony Hoping we’ll see some change

Naudiz•5/21/23, 8:41 PM

I would expect that if some of the big players in the peripherals space picked up FFB to a meaningful extent

Naudiz•5/21/23, 8:42 PM

At least WinWing did produce a more consumer-level force sensing stick recently, so I guess they aren’t stagnant or anything

AAnthony It’s not like FFB didn’t exist before the Rhino

sydost•5/21/23, 9:01 PM

Back in the days when DCS P-51 was developed ED’s lead engineer ”YoYo” mentioned in some interview that MSFFB2 is the stick that he uses and if my memory serves correctly also recommends flying DCS with. So ED should be very well aware of FFB benefits. At least if YoYo still works there. My understanding is that this is the reason why DCS FFB implementation is quite good to begin with but it is developed with much weaker FFB sticks in mind.

Ssydost Back in the days when DCS P-51 was developed ED’s lead engineer ”YoYo” mentioned...

Phantom•5/22/23, 12:40 AM

I have been trying to whip up support from the DCS crew for years, encouraging them to implement the same standard across all their aircraft, and supply a good library for 3rd parties, as you said, some are quite good, and others are sadly dire, it has however always fallen on deaf ears sadly.

Mmechsicko When I mounted my BK Mini (same exciter as Gamer) like this I could barely feel ...

aniron•5/22/23, 7:12 AM

Do you think side flange to an extrusion at the lower back of the seat would work? Or would one need a separate extrusion sticking out from that to make a lever arm?

VPforceBot•5/22/23, 10:45 AM

:package:

RHINO #0103 Has Shipped!

Aaniron Do you think side flange to an extrusion at the lower back of the seat would wor...

mechsicko•5/22/23, 3:13 PM

Putting it on it's own angle like dude did would be slightly stronger as it increases the moment arm of movement and adds a 'flex zone' but even just using a socket as s post directly on the t-slot to utilize the off-axis mount would be much stronger than using the base flange

Beamer•5/22/23, 4:59 PM

My Rhino is on the way (#0107) FedEx is sending me updates. Got this one: International clearance of your package has been delayed.
SCHEDULED DELIVERY
Pending
CUSTOM DELAY
MEMPHIS, TN
Exception Reason

Animal parts or animal products clearance required.

Beamer•5/22/23, 4:59 PM

Guess they're taking this "Rhino" thing too far

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/22/23, 5:01 PM

That's where my package went too but no such reasons were given and it passed on through without issue

Scotia•5/22/23, 5:06 PM

They think you're getting Rhino horn!

BBeamer My Rhino is on the way (#0107) FedEx is sending me updates. Got this one: Inter...

walmis•5/22/23, 5:10 PM

Lol. Guess they didn't bother to check the HS code. I'll send them an email.

AAnthony I mean

Stoned Kakapo•5/22/23, 6:16 PM

Razbam hasn't added ffb support before. Harrier for instance still does not have a ffb profile

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/22/23, 6:18 PM

Guessing the Mig-19 doesn't have FFB either then

Naudiz•5/22/23, 9:51 PM

Doesn’t the Mirage have compatibility with the whole elastic limit thing?

ddrake1984•5/23/23, 3:39 AM

Well, the buttons are connected to the blackbox, and that is connected to PC, this has nothing to do with VPForce RHINO

ddrake1984•5/23/23, 3:40 AM

Best to speak with other VKB folks on the hotas or vkb discord to troubleshoot

ddrake1984•5/23/23, 3:41 AM

First I would check is number of peripherals connected, IL-2 can spit the dummy if the list of devices is too long or messed up

ddrake1984•5/23/23, 3:42 AM

If the buttons are being registed in the VKB software, then its likely IL-2 issue as mentioned above (list of devices)

Kruger•5/23/23, 4:20 AM

Be aware that il2 can only register 8 devices. If you have more than that (also a connected gamepad or so) check the il2 forum. There is a software to ban certain devices for il2.

Jon (Bounty_V)•5/23/23, 4:35 AM

can also use joystick gremlin to merge or split devices as necessary

Mmechsicko When I mounted my BK Mini (same exciter as Gamer) like this I could barely feel ...