MWhen I mounted my BK Mini (same exciter as Gamer) like this I could barely feel it. It was weak af till I used the side flange on an 'amplification arm' to mimick how it works on the Gamer2. I've seen people use a 15/16 impact socket bolted to a t-slot to mount the Gamer2 to, which would also work for the one you have. Without having any ability to move (ie hard mounted to the frame by its bottom flange) it reduced the impact almost to nothing. I eventually upgraded to a Clark TST209 and it's way more powerful even off the same 100w amp I have
NI would expect that if some of the big players in the peripherals space picked up FFB to a meaningful extent
NAt least WinWing did produce a more consumer-level force sensing stick recently, so I guess they aren’t stagnant or anything
SBack in the days when DCS P-51 was developed ED’s lead engineer ”YoYo” mentioned in some interview that MSFFB2 is the stick that he uses and if my memory serves correctly also recommends flying DCS with. So ED should be very well aware of FFB benefits. At least if YoYo still works there. My understanding is that this is the reason why DCS FFB implementation is quite good to begin with but it is developed with much weaker FFB sticks in mind.
PI have been trying to whip up support from the DCS crew for years, encouraging them to implement the same standard across all their aircraft, and supply a good library for 3rd parties, as you said, some are quite good, and others are sadly dire, it has however always fallen on deaf ears sadly.
ADo you think side flange to an extrusion at the lower back of the seat would work? Or would one need a separate extrusion sticking out from that to make a lever arm?
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RHINO #0103 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0103 Has Shipped!
MPutting it on it's own angle like dude did would be slightly stronger as it increases the moment arm of movement and adds a 'flex zone' but even just using a socket as s post directly on the t-slot to utilize the off-axis mount would be much stronger than using the base flange
BMy Rhino is on the way (#0107) FedEx is sending me updates. Got this one: International clearance of your package has been delayed.
SCHEDULED DELIVERY
Pending
CUSTOM DELAY
MEMPHIS, TN
Exception Reason
SCHEDULED DELIVERY
Pending
CUSTOM DELAY
MEMPHIS, TN
Exception Reason
- Animal parts or animal products clearance required.
BGuess they're taking this "Rhino" thing too far
JThat's where my package went too but no such reasons were given and it passed on through without issue
SThey think you're getting Rhino horn!
WLol. Guess they didn't bother to check the HS code. I'll send them an email.
SRazbam hasn't added ffb support before. Harrier for instance still does not have a ffb profile
JGuessing the Mig-19 doesn't have FFB either then
NDoesn’t the Mirage have compatibility with the whole elastic limit thing?
DWell, the buttons are connected to the blackbox, and that is connected to PC, this has nothing to do with VPForce RHINO
DBest to speak with other VKB folks on the hotas or vkb discord to troubleshoot
DFirst I would check is number of peripherals connected, IL-2 can spit the dummy if the list of devices is too long or messed up
DIf the buttons are being registed in the VKB software, then its likely IL-2 issue as mentioned above (list of devices)
KBe aware that il2 can only register 8 devices. If you have more than that (also a connected gamepad or so) check the il2 forum. There is a software to ban certain devices for il2.
Jcan also use joystick gremlin to merge or split devices as necessary
Ipretty surprising... mine will shake the whole damn house just about.
II'll sell you mine for 5k usd... 
I seriously think that's would I would have to have to give mine up and wait for another one. It's such a game changer.
I seriously think that's would I would have to have to give mine up and wait for another one. It's such a game changer.
MThanks for the response. I'll consider and let you know what I decide. Where would you be shipping from?
IIndiana
MI'm up in British Columbia.
M39hr drive
MCheaper to ship, lol
IYeah I’d think so. Lol
TWell, it is a real beast of a controller…
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RHINO #0104 Has Shipped!
RHINO #0104 Has Shipped!
RWhat are your settings are using for helicopters, spring dampening, balance, constant force, etc. etc.
ISure. Next time I jump on I’ll take pics of the settings. Granted they are rather stock and I’m not using an extention. So your results may vary.
VI got 84 to go, we're getting closer.
BJust signed up, this is going to be a looooong wait 
BHaven't gotten one yet.
BWas like barely four hours ago
BAnd I've already pinged the bot a few times 
SI’m almost no. 400… 
Gonna be a looong wait. Yet I’m still pestering the poor VPForceBot almost every day. 
Gonna be a looong wait. Yet I’m still pestering the poor VPForceBot almost every day. Jim beyond thankful i was able to join the queue back in october 2022
BI only learned about this yesterday
BIf you'd ask me 40 hours ago I have thought the only "new" FFB gimbal was the Brünner, and from what I've heard about that company I simply don't feel a need to deal with them.
JRhino is not only cheaper but superior in almost every single way
AI wonder if there's going to be any kind of a reaction from Brunner
JLikely not. Their primary source of income is in the professional side of things for the purpose of certification trainers used by big airliner companies and the like
BFrom what I hear they dont like to involve themselves with the peasant sim market.
JIf anything we'd be more likely to see a 'reaction' from the likes of Virpil and Winwing.
BIt's still a niche market inside the niche of a niche market.
JAfter Virpil finishes the AH-64 collective grip the next thing they could improve upon is the CM3 throttle, or their pedals in some way. They just recently updated both of their flight stick bases to new adjustable ones so unlikely to see yet another base from them anytime soon. Collectives in general are already very new from Vipril so an updated one of those is also unlikely. Their pedals and throttle have been around for a while though, and they already recently added a new control panel to go with the collective.
Unless they want to make cyclic grips or something.
Winwing is more likely simply because they currently have a reputation of surprising us simmers with what they have in store. The F18 front panels for example, the force sensing base, and the F16 grip/throttle plus the new throttle to replace the old one have all exceeded expectations again and again.
Unless they want to make cyclic grips or something.
Winwing is more likely simply because they currently have a reputation of surprising us simmers with what they have in store. The F18 front panels for example, the force sensing base, and the F16 grip/throttle plus the new throttle to replace the old one have all exceeded expectations again and again.