Cloudflare Developers•3y ago

(or use spectrum, which is $1/GB, gets rather expensive for minecraft)

DDaniFoldi (or use spectrum, which is $1/GB, gets rather expensive for minecraft)

Hello, I’m Allie!•5/21/23, 9:42 AM

(or use Nodecraft, which uses Spectrum too)

Hello, I’m Allie!•5/21/23, 9:42 AM

Wish I had a discount code to add here…

brylan•5/21/23, 2:01 PM

You should def self host your servers if your doing mc

brylan•5/21/23, 2:01 PM

It’s a lot cheaper…

brylan•5/21/23, 2:01 PM

Just has a more interesting learning curve

Eend Since when does Cloudflare prioritize phishing websites in the Free Plan? We rep...

GregBrimble•5/21/23, 5:55 PM

We can’t help with abuse reporting here and this Discord server isn’t an appropriate place to discuss any individual cases or the abuse process itself.

Please raise any concerns you have with your CSM.

Isaac McFadyen•5/21/23, 6:04 PM

?abuse

Flare•5/21/23, 6:04 PM

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DaniFoldiOP•5/21/23, 7:06 PM

!remind 12h using email triggers invalid link

Flare•5/21/23, 7:06 PM

:zep_check: I will remind you in 12 hours at May 22, 2023 at 7:06 UTC

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DaniFoldiOP•5/21/23, 7:06 PM

I'll raise this tomorrow, thanks!

Super Morris•5/21/23, 8:30 PM

Did anyone already build an event bus on top of cloudflare?

Eend Since when does Cloudflare prioritize phishing websites in the Free Plan? We rep...

brylan•5/21/23, 10:53 PM

Amount of denial of service websites I see behind cloudflare is interesting jail

nomaxx117•5/21/23, 10:55 PM

The issue with providing free stuff is that things like this have a tendency to pop up faster than they can be found.

Nnomaxx117 The issue with providing free stuff is that things like this have a tendency to ...

brylan•5/21/23, 10:55 PM

Cant blame cf

brylan•5/21/23, 10:56 PM

Criminals buy with a crypto currency a cheap domain then use fake identities to sign up with cloudflare

nomaxx117•5/21/23, 10:56 PM

yea

brylan•5/21/23, 10:56 PM

no stopping them

Eend The question was also directed more towards the users. After all, Cloudflare doe...

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 12:33 AM

Why not vote with your wallet? As an enterprise user, why would you put up with such a thing? It becomes an issue when a customer will no longer pay because of X, otherwise, it's cheaper to ignore it. But then again, you move, and now you're no longer a Cloudflare customer & those scam websites will still exist.

Eend Since when does Cloudflare prioritize phishing websites in the Free Plan? We rep...

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:35 AM

Anyone understand how these things coexist? Always found this argument about Cloudflare being a egress angel fascinating.

Where Cloudflare says AWS egress is egregious, but then charges more than AWS for ARGO usage, at $0.1/GB? Effectively a 8000-9000% markup

If $92.07 is egregious from AWS, how come $104.90 is not also, egregious?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11InPX3PDntyC1-F-tWeNwpoztYozf7JeC7OE6iZrc_0/edit?ref=blog.cloudflare.com#gid=1312371137

Screenshot_2023-05-22_at_11.33.23_am.png

Google Docs

AWS Egregious Egress

Sheet1

AWS Egregious Egress
1Mbps = TBs per month at 100% utilization,0.3285
Billed at 95th percentile,0.3458
Estimated average AWS utilization per month,20%
AWS Region,AWS Cost at 1TB/month*,Implied Mbps $,Estimated Regional Cost Per Mbps,Markup
US/Canada,$92.07,$6.37,$0.08,7959%
Europe,$92.07,...

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:39 AM

The CDN on IBM Cloud is $0.22/GB that's egregious to me lul

kian•5/22/23, 1:43 AM

Argo is an add-on

kian•5/22/23, 1:43 AM

You're charged $0 for using the CDN (proxy, cache, etc)

kian•5/22/23, 1:43 AM

That includes the DDoS protection, so 'protected traffic'

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:45 AM

That's not the point. The point is, if AWS is egregious in it's charge for egress, than charging more than that for egress defeats that entire statement.

kian•5/22/23, 1:46 AM

The point is that you're comparing S3 egress, which is inavoidable, to AWS Global Accelerator.

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:46 AM

Can't make a statement on one hand that charging 8000% is egregious and then charge more markup on the other.

Kkian The point is that you're comparing S3 egress, which is inavoidable, to AWS Globa...

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:47 AM

Meh, Cloudfront is similar in cost or a lot less at scale, and egress to cloudfront negates the S3 cost. But the charges of Cloudfront even at PB scale are still 'egregious'.
Plus can't exactly compare 5 locations to 20+ via S3.

Ddefido 👊⛽Meh, Cloudfront is similar in cost or a lot less at scale, and egress to cloudfr...

Isaac McFadyen•5/22/23, 1:48 AM

Cloudfront is not the same as Global Accelerator.

Isaac McFadyen•5/22/23, 1:48 AM

Cloudflare's version of Cloudfront - the CDN - is free.

Isaac McFadyen•5/22/23, 1:48 AM

Cloudflare's version of Global Accelerator (which AWS charges for as well) is not free and is an optional add-on.

IIsaac McFadyen Cloudflare's version of Cloudfront - the CDN - is free.

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:48 AM

It's not "free" use it for Video and you'll find it certainly aint "free"

kian•5/22/23, 1:48 AM

Not related to Argo, at all.

Ddefido 👊⛽It's not "free" use it for Video and you'll find it certainly aint "free"

Isaac McFadyen•5/22/23, 1:49 AM

True - but that's the terms of service. Not related to the pricing or Argo.

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:49 AM

But the point, is $0.1 and $0.22/GB Egregious or not?

kian•5/22/23, 1:49 AM

You don't seem to understand what's happening here.

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:49 AM

If $0.85/GB is, than is $0.22/GB not?

kian•5/22/23, 1:49 AM

Argo is an add-on service, that actually does things beyond "charge you per byte that went through the CDN" - so it's like Global Accelerator

Kkian Argo is an add-on service, that actually does things beyond "charge you per byte...

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:50 AM

Yeah i know how it works, if the cost to deliver that in USA is $0.08Mbps, and Cloudflare charges $0.01/GB or 9000% markup, is it or is it not 'egregious'. I think you're stating it's not egregious

kian•5/22/23, 1:50 AM

Still, missing the point.

kian•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

You're not being charged for the cost of the egress.

kian•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

You're paying for the service that is Argo Smart Routing.

Isaac McFadyen•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

You're comparing two different services that serve two different purposes.

defido 👊⛽•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

I'm talking about all bandwidth charges

kian•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

You are free to not use ASR, and pay $0/month.

kian•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

R2 egress is $0/month

kian•5/22/23, 1:51 AM

CDN ingress/egress is $0/month

(or use spectrum, which is $1/GB, gets rather expensive for minecraft)

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