He sells it as a complete kit on his site, very easy install. https://mfg-sim.com/en/rudder-acessor

He sells it as a complete kit on his site, very easy install.
https://mfg-sim.com/en/rudder-acessories/43-hydraulic-damper-retrofit-kit-for-v12.html

Milan Flight Gear

Hydraulic Damper retrofit kit

Hydraulic Damper retrofit kit for MFG Crosswind V1,2&3

Bob BushmanOP•5/24/23, 7:38 AM

With it i can simply unhook the main spring and have non centering pedals for heli use, while still remaining stable.
For jets just pop the spring back on.

roller25.•5/24/23, 7:47 AM

Any word yet of Razbam are releasing the Strike Eagle with ffb support?

Rroller25.Any word yet of Razbam are releasing the Strike Eagle with ffb support?

Naudiz•5/24/23, 7:58 AM

Yes they are

Naudiz•5/24/23, 7:59 AM

Lemme get the source for you too

Naudiz•5/24/23, 8:00 AM

📃general

NNaudiz Yes they are

roller25.•5/24/23, 8:20 AM

Awesome! Great news!

BBob Bushman He sells it as a complete kit on his site, very easy install. https://mfg-sim.c...

legobirds•5/24/23, 8:47 AM

thank you man! I thought it was for the Taurus throttle,haha.

Bob BushmanOP•5/24/23, 8:47 AM

Nah I've only been looking at that, never got one.

legobirds•5/24/23, 8:48 AM

My friction didn't work well anymore... I gotta open it up to fix it...

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VPforceBot•5/24/23, 12:33 PM

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SSleepy81 I’m almost no. 400… 😩 Gonna be a looong wait. Yet I’m still pestering the poor ...

Viktor Martin•5/24/23, 12:34 PM

Neuron activation lol.

Duchess ✈•5/24/23, 3:32 PM

I am holding off buying a new throttle until someone releases a F-15E one. I just received my Virpil CM3 to fill in until my Rhino arrives. Have a lot of tuning to do with it... so far, I do not see such a huge difference between it and the TM Warthog base.

VViktor Martin Neuron activation lol.

Sleepy81•5/24/23, 5:02 PM

I even made an excel sheet to estimate the shipment day based on historical production numbers. Currently I’m looking at 9. Aug 2024…

Viktor Martin•5/24/23, 5:06 PM

Ouch.

Viktor Martin•5/24/23, 5:06 PM

On the bright side, you're likely to get bumped up if people leave.

Anthony•5/24/23, 8:35 PM

Many warbirds’ sticks didn’t move as they were trimmed

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:11 PM

Trimming affects the trim tabs

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:12 PM

The stick doesn’t necessarily have to move along with that

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:21 PM

I mean

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:22 PM

You can bring it up with the engineers who designed WW2 era planes if you find any who are miraculously still alive

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:22 PM

But there’s no inherent requirement for controls to move in correspondence with their respective trim tabs

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:24 PM

It’s perfectly possible to adjust the trim tabs to adjust to a new flight regime without the controls moving

Anthony•5/24/23, 9:25 PM

The point of trimming is that you shouldn’t have to exert pressure on the controls, which is achieved

Magpie•5/24/23, 9:39 PM

I thought that you move the trim tab and that moves the elevator up or down. Now the elevator has moved the cable that connects it under the stick is under a slight bit of pressure. This moves the stick to find a new centrepoint.

AndyHill•5/24/23, 9:39 PM

which plane?

AndyHill•5/24/23, 9:40 PM

if you're trimming the elevator as in many german planes, the center point doesn't change

AndyHill•5/24/23, 9:41 PM

if you are trimming tabs (like a P-51) you will experience shift in center point

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inpayne•5/25/23, 12:36 AM

Until I flew jets I never felt a yoke or stick move with trim with a trim tabbed airplane. at least not a real noticeable amount. Even in jets I fly now with moveable stabs it’s hardly noticeable nothing like DCS where they move so much.

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•5/25/23, 7:13 AM

In aircraft with unpowered controls, trim changes the neutral point of the control surface. In a normal WWII warbird, or a Cessna 172 for that matter, the stick (or yoke) won’t move with trim unless there are aerodynamic forces acting upon it. So changing trim when stationary on the ground won’t do anything. In flight the pilot will need to push or pull against the aerodynamic forces to keep the aircraft going straight and level. By trimming, the control surface neutral point moves to where the pilot is holding the stick/yoke. This effectively moves the stick/yoke.
Some german aircraft, like the Bf-109, has got a variable incidence tailplane, which means that the stabilizer angle itself, is moving with trim. This should not affect the neutral position of the stick.

VPforceBot•5/25/23, 9:08 AM

:package:

RHINO #0105 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•5/25/23, 10:01 AM

:package:

RHINO #0106 Has Shipped!

Phantom•5/25/23, 10:33 AM

Anyone in the UK who got their Rhino and had the message "The parcel is detained at the post office of the recipient's country" ?

PPhantom Anyone in the UK who got their Rhino and had the message "The parcel is detained...

walmis•5/25/23, 10:50 AM

Use this for tracking in the UK: https://www.parcelforce.com/track-trace

Phantom•5/25/23, 10:58 AM

I didn't realise the same number could work with 2 different companies, thanks. Held for customs fleecing

inpayne•5/25/23, 12:53 PM

Right, but the movement is so small it’s basically impossible to tell in any civil piston aircraft I’ve flown. And very minor in jets with movable stabs. At speed such minor movements make big differences. Maybe it’s different in fighters but I’m guessing it’s overblown.

Bob BushmanOP•5/25/23, 12:54 PM

Still sound better than a spring stick

And we all know DCS is flightsim perfection, no bugs always working as intended.

BBob Bushman Still sound better than a spring stick 😄 And we all know DCS is flightsim perf...

inpayne•5/25/23, 12:57 PM

Oh it is for sure

Bob BushmanOP•5/25/23, 12:58 PM

390 to go...

Bob BushmanOP•5/25/23, 12:58 PM

https://tenor.com/view/kick-rocks-train-tracks-sadness-slow-walk-gif-16591955

Tenor

Wwalmis Use this for tracking in the UK: https://www.parcelforce.com/track-trace

Phantom•5/25/23, 3:30 PM

Collected the Rhino directly from the shipping company, at home now with it, looks beautifully made Walmis, look forward to using it now !! Looks like the Eagle will be out shortly, perfect timing

PPhantom Collected the Rhino directly from the shipping company, at home now with it, loo...

walmis•5/25/23, 4:00 PM

Awesome!

Iinpayne Right, but the movement is so small it’s basically impossible to tell in any civ...

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•5/25/23, 6:14 PM

Yes, it’s more of a force that is cancelled out. I don’t know how it is simulated with FFB (yet

) but I imagine it moves the stick the distance that is required to accomplish the simulated control surface deflection. I don’t know if this simulation is realistic. Looking forward to try it out!

RustBelt•5/25/23, 8:11 PM

Tell us you trained on Diamonds without saying you trained on Diamonds. In everything I’ve ever flown (152,172,172RG,182,Archer,warrior,arrow,Seminole, SNJ-4, DA-20, DHC-8) the trim would displace the controls as it “flew” the tail. Full displacement. I even had training evolutions that involved landing only with elevator trim and rudder. And the yoke displaced exactly as expected. As if a ghost hand was pulling on it. Except for the DA-20. Because it just used spring tension to “trim” not an actual aerodynamic trim. Hands off on the ground it always would sit full nose down stick. You still displaced the stick to a different point given what you wanted your pitch attitude just like any plane. The spring just relieved the fixed nose down tension diamond built into their system.

RRustBelt Tell us you trained on Diamonds without saying you trained on Diamonds. In ever...

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•5/25/23, 8:36 PM

I’ve never flown the Diamond. And I’m not sure who you are addressing, but since your post comes after mine, I’ll bite.

Look at what I wrote earlier. 📃general

Trim moves the control surface. That’s what’s happening in most conventional aircraft. But the pilot feels this as if pulling or pushing against a force, that is relieved by trimming. That’s how I fly anyway. I control the stick with my hands, and then trim out the forces.
But the SAAB MFI-15 Safari that I trained on, could loop from elevator trim only…

It had a stabilator though.

kingjamez•5/25/23, 9:03 PM

@.rustbelt I've never flown a diamond either. In a SG-33 ( my current weekend flyer) the trim sets where the stick holds the cable at. There is no movement at all of the stick when you set the trim, the connection point to the cable changes. It's also kind of a point of view perspective too since on something like a Cessna you are trimming to a certain speed really. The natural push of the rear stabilizer changes with speed and your trim "sets" that speed. You set the trim to keep the stick in the same position while flying at different speeds. So for me I wouldn't want a simulation of a C172 to change the yoke position, I'd want the FFB to move the yoke until I trim it to stop moving. All about perspective I guess.

TTroll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴I’ve never flown the Diamond. And I’m not sure who you are addressing, but since...

RustBelt•5/25/23, 9:30 PM

It was to @inpayne it didn’t at correctly.

Kkingjamez @.rustbelt I've never flown a diamond either. In a SG-33 ( my current weekend fl...

RustBelt•5/25/23, 9:40 PM

It is perspective because really no matter how you look at it, trim moves the “center” point of the control, or contrarywise moves the neutral to where you are holding the control to the point where hands off doesn’t cause any change in pitch attitude. It’s all inside out vs outside in visualizing the system.

Anthony•5/25/23, 10:10 PM

Not all planes’ trim systems interact the same way with the flight controls

Anthony•5/25/23, 10:10 PM

Is there anyone who’s actually disputing that?

inpayne•5/25/23, 10:54 PM

I’ve only flown a diamond once, but I have time in some 30 different types. And never noticed a big difference in stick/yoke position with trim.

He sells it as a complete kit on his site, very easy install. https://mfg-sim.com/en/rudder-acessor

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