This is baffling. no effects on current settings Mater gain set to pot1 and cranked to max FFB on in

This is baffling.
no effects on
current settings
Mater gain set to pot1 and cranked to max
FFB on in DCS misc and F14 special for trim
I hit the trim hat...I see the trim move in the Rtcl-Enter display....stick stays put

SSubsonic This is baffling. no effects on current settings Mater gain set to pot1 and cran...

walmis•6/23/23, 5:32 PM

Your spring is at 0% in the screenshot above

MMarshmallowBBQ Do we have drawings for the 57BLF03? I would like to know its dimension

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:33 PM

Wwalmis Your spring is at 0% in the screenshot above

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:33 PM

Even if not using the effect it needs to be above zero for trim to work?

walmis•6/23/23, 5:34 PM

Yes, now it essentially multiplies all spring forces created by the game by 0

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:36 PM

ahhh ok makes sense, trim is a spring force.....thanks off to test

SSubsonic Click to see attachment

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:36 PM

Do we have size and location of the holes?

MMarshmallowBBQ Do we have size and location of the holes?

Number481•6/23/23, 5:37 PM

https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/57BLF%20Series.pdf

MMarshmallowBBQ Do we have size and location of the holes?

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:37 PM

you're welcome

SSubsonic you're welcome

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:38 PM

Thanks

NNumber481 https://www.promoco-motors.com/products/BLDC/57BLF%20Series.pdf

MarshmallowBBQ•6/23/23, 5:38 PM

Thank you

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 5:49 PM

@walmis @kingjamez_rf @amadeus
All I can say is....Thanks! and WOW.
Trim working like it should and the effects are... AMAZE BAWLS!!
Thanks for the help from this great little corner of the internet and @walmis....thanks for developing this solution.
I will add in some of these points to the docs I am working on.

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:18 PM

yeah sorry i hadn't elaborated earlier -- was on a phone and didn't really feel like typing a ton out, but essentially the framework should be -- the Effects tabs are for your own customizations, they will apply, by default, as long as the game doesn't override them. If you use sticky, then the game won't be allowed to override those effects. In the settings tab, with the sliders -- you can think of those as overall scaling/limiters for how powerful the effects both from your effects tab, and the game can be. So my general thing -- start with everything at 100% in Settings tab (except friction -- that effect has a very strong tendency to cause uncontrolled oscillations -- personally I cap it around 7% under settings, but generally speaking, very few games in my experience even apply a friction effect).

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:20 PM

one effect i am particiularly fond of under settings, is

Spring strength proportional damping

Spring strength proportional damping

, i like to run it anywhere from 60-80% because it takes a lot of the

bounce

bounce

out of any spring effects that are applied, and imo helps to make the whole thing mechanical. if you want to quickly test the effects of it, go into Effects, crank up spring to 100%, then with the default value for Spring strength proportional damping set (i think it's around 20%?) -- pull the stick to full deflection and let it naturally return to center, then crank that setting up to 100% and do the same, notice the difference?

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 6:23 PM

@amadeus Thanks and no worries, we are all multi tasking.
I understood the hirarchy of the effect tab and settings tab but somehow did not connect the fact that SPRING is the key to the whole thing working like it should, especially trim. With spring set to zero....the stick is far less alive for affects and trim does nothing

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 6:24 PM

I think my printer may be going constantly as the whole sim group is going to want one LOL

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:24 PM

spring is basically what games use to force the stick back to center

amadeus•6/23/23, 6:25 PM

and they may dynamically change that value over time to simulate air resistance and all that

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 6:26 PM

makes sense now...sort of like "of course" once it sinks in

SSubsonic makes sense now...sort of like "of course" once it sinks in

kingjamez•6/23/23, 6:46 PM

Awesome that you got it going. Looking back, I think I gave misleading configs. I had spring turned off and sticky unchecked in the effects section, but the spring (and master, periodic, intertia, and damper) in the settings tab are set to 100%, so I was utilizing the game spring function too.

kingjamez•6/23/23, 6:47 PM

It is really freakin cool when you feel your stick move along with the trim and just like in a real plane, tune in for straight and level with no input. FFB is equal to VR in creating a sense of awe while flying.

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 8:31 PM

Have to agree!

SubsonicOP•6/23/23, 8:33 PM

Without tuning it feels close to the push back controls give you

MacTavish•6/25/23, 12:46 PM

Hi walis, here is an video of the behaviour and a photo of my settings

kingjamez•6/25/23, 12:53 PM

Is that not a side effect of having the 8 way to 4 way hat button checked?

MacTavish•6/25/23, 12:57 PM

I changed it and I have the effects still

MMacTavish I changed it and I have the effects still

walmis•6/25/23, 1:11 PM

Can you activate generic grip (debug) profile and activate more buttons?

MacTavish•6/25/23, 1:47 PM

Still the same double button input

walmis•6/25/23, 1:49 PM

Can you also copy some lines from the Debug tab?

MMacTavish Hi walis, here is an video of the behaviour and a photo of my settings

walmis•6/25/23, 1:58 PM

Btw, update the firmware: http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/

Wwalmis Btw, update the firmware: http://vpforcecontrols.com/usb/rhino/ 🙂

MacTavish•6/25/23, 2:12 PM

Your guys are awsome. I used the wrong browser and I never saw the option to update the firmware. Now the buttons work as intendet. Thx to you all.

Anthony•6/26/23, 10:18 AM

Periodic effects appear to still be applied after I've ejected from the aircraft, I'm guessing that's not intended?

AAnthony Periodic effects appear to still be applied after I've ejected from the aircraft...

walmis•6/26/23, 10:34 AM

TelemFFB?

Wwalmis TelemFFB?

Anthony•6/26/23, 1:19 PM

I’ll have it your way tonight

AsBurli•6/26/23, 6:21 PM

@walmis Which grub screw do you use with the motor pulleys? M4?

AAsBurli @walmis Which grub screw do you use with the motor pulleys? M4?

walmis•6/26/23, 6:21 PM

M4x3

Troll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴•6/27/23, 7:43 AM

When connecting the motors to MOT1 and MOT2 on the controller board, which one is Roll and which is Pitch?

TTroll 🇸🇪 🇳🇴When connecting the motors to MOT1 and MOT2 on the controller board, which one i...

walmis•6/27/23, 8:05 AM

doesn't matter

Rob EB•6/27/23, 9:41 AM

I've noticed a significantly reduced damper effect on my X-axis (roll). Pull-and-release on the Y-axis results in a well damped return to center, while the same on the X-axis results in a springy overshoot and return, which gradually settles out to center.

Adjusting the effect percentage on the axis doesn't seem to make a noticeable difference. Disabling the effect results in the expected very bouncy return to center.

Intial effect levels are the same for both axis and the gain maps are 1:1. Using current firmware and app versions.

RRob EB I've noticed a significantly reduced damper effect on my X-axis (roll). Pull-and...

walmis•6/27/23, 10:16 AM

Can you show us your settings?

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:02 AM

@walmis

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:04 AM

RRob EB @walmis

walmis•6/27/23, 11:12 AM

It'd be useful to see it in action. Also can you check the mechanical side - try holding the large gear and wiggle the stick to see if there is any looseness.
Also you can try to disable friction and inertia to see if it changes anything.

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:14 AM

No looseness and the bounce is more pronounced with friction and inertia disabled.

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:27 AM

@walmis

walmis•6/27/23, 11:31 AM

My guess is that the the X axis has reduced calibrated range

walmis•6/27/23, 11:31 AM

Try increasing spring bandwidth to 15Hz

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:42 AM

no change

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:47 AM

re calibration, I'm using the printed limiter set at 13 degrees y-axis, 10 degrees x-axis with axis calibrated after fitting.

RRob EB re calibration, I'm using the printed limiter set at 13 degrees y-axis, 10 degre...

walmis•6/27/23, 11:49 AM

what happens if you set both axis the same range - 1512 <> 2925

Rob EB•6/27/23, 11:52 AM

Max reported deflection on the y-axis occurs at ~75% physical deflection, as expected. But, still bouncing on the x-axis.

This is baffling. no effects on current settings Mater gain set to pot1 and cranked to max FFB on in

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