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Kai

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Kai•8/5/23, 4:52 PM

I think it's in 8 min

Kai

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Kai•8/5/23, 4:52 PM

I'll try to be on time but just getting out my groceries

Aqua

AAqua coffee and code is still on today for 6pm?

Perksey

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Perksey•8/5/23, 4:53 PM

yessir

Aqua

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AquaOP•8/5/23, 4:56 PM

alrighty cool

Kai

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Kai•8/5/23, 7:56 PM

Made a SilkX fork, i'll look into the while pointer thing again at some point

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 2:57 PM

ok so I've decided it will technically only be 14 top-level types.

Mut
Ptr
MutMut
MutPtr
PtrMut
PtrPtr
MutMutMut
MutMutPtr
MutPtrMut
MutPtrPtr
PtrMutMut
PtrMutPtr
PtrPtrMut
PtrPtrPtr

Mut
Ptr
MutMut
MutPtr
PtrMut
PtrPtr
MutMutMut
MutMutPtr
MutPtrMut
MutPtrPtr
PtrMutMut
PtrMutPtr
PtrPtrMut
PtrPtrPtr

however each will have a generic and non-generic version, and within each type there will be a subtype called UntrackedUntracked which is a non-ref-struct.

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 2:57 PM

yeah PtrMutPtr<int>.UntrackedPtrMutPtr<int>.Untracked looks real goofy but hey ho

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:33 PM

@baebey attempted to add BreakneckSleep to implement this help-and-questions

Volte

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Volte•8/6/23, 9:33 PM

yup heres the excerpt from raylib

Original Message

Quoted by perksey#0000

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:33 PM

but I don't seem to be having the same accuracy you were having with the windows timers?

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

you have a modern version of Win10/11 right?

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

yeah

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

eh actually i think it's the JIT cold start, it's mostly ok

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:34 PM

this is after i switched to release mode

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:35 PM

i wonder if ARM just has really tight timings? most of my testing was done on ARM windows

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:35 PM

i was getting accuracy down to the sub-milisecond

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:35 PM

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

this is with 90% windows wait, 10% busy loop

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

is this deltatime or actual counting frames that happen per second

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

delta time

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

https://github.com/dotnet/Silk.NET/blob/hotfix/fidgity-spinny/src/Lab/Experiments/TimeTrials/Program.cs

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:36 PM

id do it the frame counting way, to get a more accurate measure

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:37 PM

there's no frames to count, the only thing in this test program is BreakneckSleep

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:37 PM

i mean count iterations on the loop per second then

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:39 PM

120 FPS = 119.98032322699076 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92564609941836 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98320235167077 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98608161453272 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
Total 120 FPS = 118.89390621173101

120 FPS = 119.98032322699076 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92564609941836 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98320235167077 FPS
120 FPS = 119.98608161453272 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
Total 120 FPS = 118.89390621173101

lol this doesn't seem right

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

what

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

anyway I'll let you tinker with BreakneckSleep as its godfather, i'm going to be a little bit out of action for the next <unknown time period> as I am prepping the move to the US

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

and therefore disassembling my PC tomorrow

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 9:40 PM

i see

khitiara

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khitiara•8/6/23, 9:45 PM

dang that file is some heckin magic lol

khitiara

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khitiara•8/6/23, 9:46 PM

at least on the windows side but maybe i just have no comprehension of windows

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:46 PM

i missed the meeting i was with my nephew is there anything you need my input on

Maxine

MMaxine i missed the meeting i was with my nephew is there anything you need my input on

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:50 PM

don't think so, just went back and forth on the magical pointer type design. if you wanted to listen to the vod skip to 29:10 and watch on 2x speed

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 9:58 PM

yeah i think we're just going to have to change it so it's always a busy loop for the final 10%

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:59 PM

that's fine

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:59 PM

what kind of accuracy are you going for

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 9:59 PM

because it's not infinite, at a high enough framerate you have to not use a timer entirely

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:00 PM

also how does unity implement shit like FixedUpdate where the delta is guaranteed to always be the same

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

i mean that's only 50 FPS

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

probably not that hard an ask

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

if you change game speed it changes the update frequency

Maxine

MMaxine also how does unity implement shit like FixedUpdate where the delta is guarantee...

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

beacuse its not guarenteed to always be the same, it just SAYS its always the same

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

yeah that way my thought beyley

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

all it guarentees is that over time it averages to some number per second

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

it could run slower temporarily, but then it will try to catch up later

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:01 PM

but how does it fire? just a normal timer? does it measure delta time in the regular update loop?

Perksey

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Perksey•8/6/23, 10:02 PM

ok the latest

60 FPS = 55.7581434768548 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97720866070893 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97792812245093 FPS
60 FPS = 59.994840443721834 FPS
60 FPS = 59.995920277421135 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91270355181427 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9788837164659 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90695220508886 FPS
120 FPS = 119.94722322178241 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
240 FPS = 239.80240282007622 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.7334164409177 FPS
240 FPS = 235.98263167830845 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
480 FPS = 461.0844706750277 FPS
480 FPS = 479.75436576472845 FPS
480 FPS = 432.61951113995235 FPS
480 FPS = 478.97308171280775 FPS
480 FPS = 430.92303714556584 FPS
960 FPS = 686.5774116031583 FPS
960 FPS = 953.0162965786715 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 947.6876421531463 FPS
960 FPS = 688.6578059362303 FPS
1920 FPS = 1876.8768768768766 FPS
1920 FPS = 1889.6447467876042 FPS
1920 FPS = 1886.7924528301887 FPS
1920 FPS = 1916.0758766047138 FPS
1920 FPS = 1875.8206715438005 FPS

60 FPS = 55.7581434768548 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97720866070893 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97792812245093 FPS
60 FPS = 59.994840443721834 FPS
60 FPS = 59.995920277421135 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91270355181427 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9788837164659 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90695220508886 FPS
120 FPS = 119.94722322178241 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
240 FPS = 239.80240282007622 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.7334164409177 FPS
240 FPS = 235.98263167830845 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
480 FPS = 461.0844706750277 FPS
480 FPS = 479.75436576472845 FPS
480 FPS = 432.61951113995235 FPS
480 FPS = 478.97308171280775 FPS
480 FPS = 430.92303714556584 FPS
960 FPS = 686.5774116031583 FPS
960 FPS = 953.0162965786715 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 947.6876421531463 FPS
960 FPS = 688.6578059362303 FPS
1920 FPS = 1876.8768768768766 FPS
1920 FPS = 1889.6447467876042 FPS
1920 FPS = 1886.7924528301887 FPS
1920 FPS = 1916.0758766047138 FPS
1920 FPS = 1875.8206715438005 FPS

Maxine

MMaxine but how does it fire? just a normal timer? does it measure delta time in the reg...

Lyris the Kitori

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Lyris the Kitori•8/6/23, 10:02 PM

it could be done any number of ways

Perksey

PPerksey ok the latest ``` 60 FPS = 55.7581434768548 FPS 60 FPS = 59.97720866070893 FPS 6...

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:02 PM

this number isn't all that helpful, if you wanna look at consistency you should plot a frametime graph

Maxine

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Maxine•8/6/23, 10:03 PM

that way you can calculate errors and stddev and 99% and other mathematician words

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

60 FPS = 53.650946939213476 FPS
60 FPS = 58.87235883880159 FPS
60 FPS = 58.9098149642712 FPS
60 FPS = 58.84325921044115 FPS
60 FPS = 58.98800184042565 FPS
120 FPS = 119.13839115516585 FPS
120 FPS = 118.81846914284355 FPS
120 FPS = 119.29615269907546 FPS
120 FPS = 118.92586161786741 FPS
120 FPS = 119.002284843869 FPS
240 FPS = 228.81724366748278 FPS
240 FPS = 231.03758981586304 FPS
240 FPS = 228.48786729424668 FPS
240 FPS = 222.96046910882703 FPS
240 FPS = 224.48200776707748 FPS
480 FPS = 395.05392486074345 FPS
480 FPS = 404.040404040404 FPS
480 FPS = 400.753416422875 FPS
480 FPS = 407.74719673802247 FPS
480 FPS = 394.2129538376631 FPS
960 FPS = 645.7028475495576 FPS
960 FPS = 694.7339169098235 FPS
960 FPS = 710.1264024996449 FPS
960 FPS = 654.5787785559992 FPS
960 FPS = 654.1077969649398 FPS

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

60 FPS = 59.9790073474284 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97648921622724 FPS
60 FPS = 59.983684437832906 FPS
60 FPS = 59.98260504453709 FPS
120 FPS = 119.92852260053009 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91989351113456 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90982780948725 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91701742394262 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9616122840691 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.58408203358968 FPS
240 FPS = 236.6807886203877 FPS
240 FPS = 239.652982481367 FPS
240 FPS = 237.02299123014933 FPS
480 FPS = 479.6623177283193 FPS
480 FPS = 421.69182761238085 FPS
480 FPS = 479.59330487746394 FPS
480 FPS = 431.16457551847543 FPS
480 FPS = 479.0648653827728 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 958.9566551591869 FPS
960 FPS = 689.4649751792609 FPS
960 FPS = 959.2326139088728 FPS
960 FPS = 958.8647041902387 FPS

60 FPS = 55.7581434768548 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97720866070893 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97792812245093 FPS
60 FPS = 59.994840443721834 FPS
60 FPS = 59.995920277421135 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91270355181427 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9788837164659 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90695220508886 FPS
120 FPS = 119.94722322178241 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
240 FPS = 239.80240282007622 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.7334164409177 FPS
240 FPS = 235.98263167830845 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
480 FPS = 461.0844706750277 FPS
480 FPS = 479.75436576472845 FPS
480 FPS = 432.61951113995235 FPS
480 FPS = 478.97308171280775 FPS
480 FPS = 430.92303714556584 FPS
960 FPS = 686.5774116031583 FPS
960 FPS = 953.0162965786715 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 947.6876421531463 FPS
960 FPS = 688.6578059362303 FPS
1920 FPS = 1876.8768768768766 FPS
1920 FPS = 1889.6447467876042 FPS
1920 FPS = 1886.7924528301887 FPS
1920 FPS = 1916.0758766047138 FPS
1920 FPS = 1875.8206715438005 FPS

60 FPS = 55.7581434768548 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97720866070893 FPS
60 FPS = 59.97792812245093 FPS
60 FPS = 59.994840443721834 FPS
60 FPS = 59.995920277421135 FPS
120 FPS = 119.91270355181427 FPS
120 FPS = 119.9788837164659 FPS
120 FPS = 119.90695220508886 FPS
120 FPS = 119.94722322178241 FPS
120 FPS = 119.93427601674281 FPS
240 FPS = 239.80240282007622 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
240 FPS = 239.7334164409177 FPS
240 FPS = 235.98263167830845 FPS
240 FPS = 239.93473775133162 FPS
480 FPS = 461.0844706750277 FPS
480 FPS = 479.75436576472845 FPS
480 FPS = 432.61951113995235 FPS
480 FPS = 478.97308171280775 FPS
480 FPS = 430.92303714556584 FPS
960 FPS = 686.5774116031583 FPS
960 FPS = 953.0162965786715 FPS
960 FPS = 959.048623765225 FPS
960 FPS = 947.6876421531463 FPS
960 FPS = 688.6578059362303 FPS
1920 FPS = 1876.8768768768766 FPS
1920 FPS = 1889.6447467876042 FPS
1920 FPS = 1886.7924528301887 FPS
1920 FPS = 1916.0758766047138 FPS
1920 FPS = 1875.8206715438005 FPS