That's unfortunate to hear about DCS regarding FFB pedals. Was hoping to modify mine in to an FFB se

That's unfortunate to hear about DCS regarding FFB pedals. Was hoping to modify mine in to an FFB setup one day. Having some vibration at high AoA, during taxi, etc would be pretty cool. Maybe someone smarter than I will find a way to pull the telemetry to code it (a la SimShaker) one day.

MMashedPotato That's unfortunate to hear about DCS regarding FFB pedals. Was hoping to modify ...

Number481•8/13/23, 2:57 PM

With TelemFFB you do get all the effects. You’ll also get the shaker style effects that are native to DCS (mostly AoA buffeting). The place where DCS fails is with actual axis feedback (like dynamic forces and trim)

Number481•8/13/23, 2:58 PM

I’m hopeful with the next VPforce firmware we can override what DCS is doing and do our own thing for the pedals.

Anthony•8/13/23, 3:02 PM

Doesn’t the Apache have ffb settings for rudder in special settings?

AAnthony Doesn’t the Apache have ffb settings for rudder in special settings?

Number481•8/13/23, 3:06 PM

Some a/c do have rudder trimmer specific settings, but I’ve never been able to get them to work. Perhaps because the only axis options on the VPforce board are X/Y (so pedals motor inputs are connected to X). Maybe DCS is looking for Z or something else for the pedals in those instances where a module implements something.

Number481•8/13/23, 3:08 PM

Maybe someone with retail pedals (if the axis is reported to windows as something other than X/Y) can chime in.

Anthony•8/13/23, 3:23 PM

Ah, I see

NNumber481 Maybe someone with retail pedals (if the axis is reported to windows as somethin...

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 4:39 PM

Windows reports Rot Z as my pedal axis

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 4:39 PM

X/Y on my pedals (MFG) are the toe brakes in windows

Number481•8/13/23, 4:41 PM

my virpils do the same (for the yaw axis).. the (possible) problem is that you don't bind the original axis any longer after bolting on a motor. You bind the axis from the VPForce board, which is X axis.

walmis•8/13/23, 4:43 PM

I'll try to add a FFB Z axis for science, but somehow doubt DCS has this implemented properly

Wwalmis I'll try to add a FFB Z axis for science, but somehow doubt DCS has this impleme...

Number481•8/13/23, 4:44 PM

I would agree, but it does beg the question as to why some modules (like Apache and MI-24) have pedal trimmer settings.

Wwalmis I'll try to add a FFB Z axis for science, but somehow doubt DCS has this impleme...

Number481•8/13/23, 4:57 PM

If you do (and it's not double the effort), a Rot-Y could be helpful in the future, too (collective).

Snooper•8/13/23, 5:14 PM

Well from my experience flying the Z axis with Hydraulics, the only thing you should need is a centering force. And I some times have trouble to know if the crosswind R P are centered or not with Vr. You could have effects in the rudder but at least for a civ running on hyd not so real. On normal speeds. Near stall could be different for small aircraft.

NNumber481 If you do (and it's not double the effort), a Rot-Y could be helpful in the futu...

Snooper•8/13/23, 5:18 PM

The collective only need to have ffb just to simulate the proper weight of it right?

SSnooper The collective only need to have ffb just to simulate the proper weight of it ri...

Number481•8/13/23, 5:24 PM

no.. that is taken care of by being counter-balanced and dampening/friction in VPConf. There realistically is almost zero need for actual axis based FFB for a collective, but it might be cool in the future to be able to simulate autopilot movement and/or friction locking with enough creative development in TelemFFB. Maybe hydraulic loss or other failure conditions too.. I'm not sure.. I've never flown a real helicopter

NNumber481 no.. that is taken care of by being counter-balanced and dampening/friction in V...

Snooper•8/13/23, 5:29 PM

Ok got it, me neither.

Asger•8/13/23, 6:41 PM

I am sure this has been asked before but just out of curiosity, what is the average number of rhinos dispatched monthly? Just to know (disregard of the % of people withdrawing while waiting) how long can this take in a worst case scenario. Many thanks

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 7:22 PM

edit: see below

AAsger I am sure this has been asked before but just out of curiosity, what is the aver...

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:44 PM

@.mashed.potato. Assigned SN - Recent SN shipped / 24 = Wait time (in months).

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:44 PM

Is that the same equation? @.mashed.potato. ?

JJehly @.mashed.potato. Assigned SN - Recent SN shipped / 24 = Wait time (in months).

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 7:50 PM

It's close, mine accounted for drop outs (which Walmis put conservatively at 20%) and spit out weeks

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 7:51 PM

Change the 6 to a 24 in mine and you'll get months, or just multiply the result by 4

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:51 PM

Gotcha. It doesn’t account for current shipped SN?

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:51 PM

Maybe make a pinned message. Lol. Or drop it into #

faq

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 7:52 PM

Just threw it together right quick, adding the current shipped would definitely make it more accurate

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 7:53 PM

Z-X*0.8/24=wait time in months. Z= your SN, X=most recent shipped SN

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:55 PM

Would Z-X require parenthesis? Or would that not apply here?

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:56 PM

I mean, why not do a quick math lesson. Haha

Jehly•8/13/23, 7:56 PM

i.e. (Z-X)0.8/24 ?

RRamasurinen (Mike Johnson)A fedex elf just arrived with a package from Saint Walmis. Must not stay up all ...

blave549•8/13/23, 8:03 PM

wow your hardware is almost exactly the same as mine. Just upgraded from a Virpil CM3/Alpha Prime to the Rhino and my old TMW grip.

You have excellent taste in Flight Sim Toyz, sir.

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:05 PM

I can only slightly understand the DCS rudder FFB talk, but I assume completely outside of any support etc., adding FFB to pedals would at least still function the way Rhino does for cyclic in terms of holding in place until you do another input again yes? So less steps than removing springs from MFG crosswinds and using the damper

JJon (Bounty_V)I can only slightly understand the DCS rudder FFB talk, but I assume completely ...

blave549•8/13/23, 8:19 PM

I have the MFGs with damper and a very lightly loaded spring, which provides a very nice feel. I can't imagine FFB providing much added value, at least as compared to the effort and $ to FFB-itize the pedals, other than maybe feeling runway bumps and such (which are meaningless in a heli on skids). But regardless, I think the biggest problem is the lack of suitable telemetry coming from the sims (DCS and MSFS). But then again Walmis and Numbah481 have pulled several rabbits out of the hat such that the Rhino has exceeded my (high) expections even at this early stage, so maybe there's something to this. HeckIdontknow.

Maybe said better -- I got an NLR HF8 rumble seatpad at almost the same time as the Rhino, and the combination is very satisfying in both MSFS and DCS. The HF-8 is only about US$200 (Amazon) -- and there's no assembly required other than strapping it to your seat. So -- thus far I'm not missing FFB in the pedals. Oh, and helicopters (at least the ones that I've flown) have very light pedal forces, and I don't remember feeling much mechanical feedback from them at all.

MMashedPotato Z-X*0.8/24=wait time in months. Z= your SN, X=most recent shipped SN

Asger•8/13/23, 8:21 PM

Where is the recent SN shipped shown?

AAsger Where is the recent SN shipped shown?

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 8:21 PM

The bot spams it out, scroll up in the chat

AAsger Where is the recent SN shipped shown?

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 8:22 PM

166 is current

Asger•8/13/23, 8:23 PM

Found it thanks

Asger•8/13/23, 8:25 PM

Actually is a bit easier then. When you message “!info email account” the bot tells you how many rhinos are left to reach your SN.

JJon (Bounty_V)I can only slightly understand the DCS rudder FFB talk, but I assume completely ...

Number481•8/13/23, 8:37 PM

The (potential) benefits of FFB pedals can be summed up as
1.) Versatility
2.) Realistic feedback (where applicable)
3.) Haptic effects (for "immersion")

I can switch between sprung, hydraulic, free-wheeling programmatically

With MSFS (and I hope eventually DCS), for aircraft where it makes sense, the pedals will be floppy when cold and dark, have some resistance when there is prop thrust, and increase in spring resistance as the airspeed increases. They also react to slip angle so they are harder to push the higher the slip angle.

Ideally (though they currently dont), they would also reflect trimming action, both in FW and Rotor when applicable

And, who doesn't want their feet to vibrate when you BRRRRRRT in the A10?

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:41 PM

i want my whole house to vibrate when i brrrrt in the a10

JJon (Bounty_V)i want my whole house to vibrate when i brrrrt in the a10

Jehly•8/13/23, 8:46 PM

https://tenor.com/view/mandalorian-this-is-the-way-gif-24826742

Tenor

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:47 PM

https://tenor.com/view/rally-truck-gif-12371307

Tenor

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:47 PM

my cockpit should be able to do this ^

AndyHill•8/13/23, 8:51 PM

there's also a specific case where you're on a strafing run, focusing on the target and you basically need to just guess what the rudder is doing as your plane's trim inevitable changes with acceleration

AndyHill•8/13/23, 8:51 PM

I don't know but maybe having some feel in your feet could tell you what's going on before your aim starts to drift

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:52 PM

there's rumble packs you can put on racing pedals to receive all sorts of useful information, would be interesting to see something similar added to rudder pedals, in addition to ffb

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:53 PM

Jon (Bounty_V)•8/13/23, 8:54 PM

the new simucube active ffb pedals do something similar for braking as well, to what you want for rudder drift

that information would be incredibly helpful and useful.

Bblave549 wow your hardware is almost exactly the same as mine. Just upgraded from a Virpi...

Ramasurinen (Mike Johnson)•8/13/23, 10:22 PM

@_blave Thanks! My setup feels a little basic compared to many amazing ones I've seen here, but I'm a little hamstrung as I have to use my machine for work 99% of the time and don't have room for a proper dedicated sim pit. I'm already in love with the Rhino. Really missed FFB, for the past twenty years haha.

AAndyHill there's also a specific case where you're on a strafing run, focusing on the tar...

Number481•8/13/23, 10:42 PM

If it was as simple as mimicking what the pedals are doing the game, that would be “not too hard” to implement. If it was something that needed to be calculated, it would both require the right telemetry as well as someone (not me) smart enough to figure out what said calculation should be.

AAsger Actually is a bit easier then. When you message “!info email account” the bot te...

MashedPotatoOP•8/13/23, 10:50 PM

Ah ha! That's why I didn't include it in my first formula. The last time I ran the numbers for myself I didn't remember subtracting, I just used the number from the bot

That's unfortunate to hear about DCS regarding FFB pedals. Was hoping to modify mine in to an FFB se

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