VPforce Controls•3y ago

does this look reasonable otherwise or has someone been messing with my settings?

JJehly If you have a 3d printer. You’re good. If not, there’s services available.

blave549•8/17/23, 1:07 PM

Is there a Github repository or similar for the MFG FFB mod somewhere?

CCraptakulaR Hello good people, I am now 18 Rhino's away from my order. I am more of a novice...

blave549•8/17/23, 1:20 PM

If I was going to put together a center mounted stick with an office chair, I would construct a rectangular piece of MDF to mount the Rhino on, and have some sort of "cups" (or maybe just rectangular holes that the caster wheel to slot into to lock at least the front two casters on the chair in place w.r.t. the Rhino (assuming your chair doesn't already have caster locks). The one thing I wonder, though, is if the stick would have enough clearance in front of the chair (that doesn't have a cutout like some sim-specific seats) and still be comfortable. Same question for the clearance between the stick/grip and the front table edge.

For a while I used Virpil table mounts. I had the stick on the side; some people apparently find it ludicrous that I fly aircraft with center sticks in real life that way but I honestly never even thought about it until someone asked how I could stand it

. I liked the arrangement quite a lot -- I would just swivel the mounts away when I was working rather than simming. I eventually moved to a Monstertech profile setup -- which cost a hella lot more!

AAndyHill does this look reasonable otherwise or has someone been messing with my settings...

skyPickle•8/17/23, 9:52 PM

mine is default and looks like this:

skyPickle•8/17/23, 9:52 PM

skyPickle•8/17/23, 9:52 PM

dont know what periodic effects changes

NNumber481 For me, (as seen in the video).. I find that it just helps the stick always retu...

skyPickle•8/17/23, 10:03 PM

well, I still cant seem to get the stick trim to behave properly in the Apache. Regardless of how I set up trim in the VP configurator, the stick always pulls back towards the center when I release the trim button. My understanding is that the stick should be limp while I hold the trim button down and then lock into position when the button is released.

skyPickle•8/17/23, 10:04 PM

EVEN with hardware force trim and override trim boxes checked, the behavior does not change

SskyPickle well, I still cant seem to get the stick trim to behave properly in the Apache. ...

Number481•8/17/23, 10:14 PM

re-calibrate your base.....

Number481•8/17/23, 10:15 PM

discoverd last night that mine was slightly out of calibration and that was causing the jerk towards center when releasing force trim

skyPickle•8/17/23, 10:49 PM

I always calibrate after making changes to these settings. I still get this weird tendency of the stick wanting to return to center and settling about halfway there. If you enable the controls indicator, there are three symbols, the red X, the white diamond and the green cross. These are not explained in the manual but it seems the red X is where the FMC is set to (the position that is commanded after the trim button is released). The actual stick position is the white diamond and it will drift back towards center- about halfway and you can feel this as the motors of the Rhino pull the stick into that direction. I dont know what the green cross represents.

skyPickle•8/17/23, 10:59 PM

my stick is properly centered

skyPickle•8/17/23, 10:59 PM

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:00 PM

is 'static force' and 'balance spring' something I need to enable as well?

Number481•8/17/23, 11:01 PM

balance spring can help negate the sagging effects of having a top heavy rear-offset grip.. but it shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not the stick is jerking towards center when releasing force trim

Number481•8/17/23, 11:02 PM

the only times I've experienced the pull towards center is when having curves enabled in DCS or.. last night when I discoverd my calibration must have been slightly off because it immediately stopped doing that after I recalibrated in VPFConf

Number481•8/17/23, 11:03 PM

just to be clear... you are calibrating in VP Configurator.. not windows joystick panel, correct?

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:04 PM

FIGURED IT OUT: have to check the 'sticky' checkboxes. Now trim works as advertised

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:05 PM

yes, never calibrate in windows, it mucks up everything

SskyPickle FIGURED IT OUT: have to check the 'sticky' checkboxes. Now trim works as adverti...

Number481•8/17/23, 11:07 PM

Are we talking DCS? Which module? should work without sticky set

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:07 PM

yes. DCS and Apache

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:08 PM

huey doesnt need sticky

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:08 PM

doesn't sticky override the in-game forces?

Number481•8/17/23, 11:08 PM

yes

SskyPickle yes. DCS and Apache

Number481•8/17/23, 11:08 PM

are you certain you don't have axis curves set?

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:08 PM

well if it works for apache, then it works

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:09 PM

do note that it will override everything everywhere all at once, so try to disable sticky for other stuffs if you run into issues

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:09 PM

I really need an axis curve of 10 otherwise getting into a stable hover is too twitchy

SskyPickle I really need an axis curve of 10 otherwise getting into a stable hover is too t...

Number481•8/17/23, 11:10 PM

thats why its jerking back on you then.. physical stick and virtual stick get out of sync with curves enabled and it messes up FfB

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:10 PM

well then you'll probably need the override, but then again override should do the trick

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:11 PM

does this also happen when you set the curve in the vpforce configurator?

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:11 PM

didnt know you could set curves in the VP config

Number481•8/17/23, 11:11 PM

was going to say the same thing

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:12 PM

I don't know either I've never done it, but I just assumed you could

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:12 PM

I know that axis scaling results in the kind of change you get by changing saturation in the dcs axis tuning

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:12 PM

there is no curve editor in vpconfig

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:14 PM

yeah seems so

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:15 PM

I wonder if a curve editor in vpconfig could be made to be compatible with force trim and other effects

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:15 PM

that might be useful

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:16 PM

I don't use curves on my stick so I didn't even realize such an option didn't exist, but isn't that kind of commonplace in all sorts of stick configurators?

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:16 PM

maybe in some upcoming version, I don't know

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:17 PM

the virpil software does not have a curve editor

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:17 PM

you could post a suggestion or a wishlist thing about the subject

AndyHillOP•8/17/23, 11:18 PM

then again virpil doesn't run into trouble with forces if you set curves in-game

skyPickle•8/17/23, 11:23 PM

I normally use a curve of 10. I just tried setting curve to 0 and the weird recentering goes away. Enabling sticky on the spring allows me to use curves and get proper trim behavior

Number481•8/17/23, 11:31 PM

honestly you don't lose much.. there isn't much in the way of stick forces for the Heli's in DCS outside of Trim FFB anyways

Number481•8/17/23, 11:33 PM

just have to remember to undo it if you are jumping in a fixed wing.. you might be able to use the vpconf=<profile>.vpconfvpconf=<profile>.vpconf in the aircraft profile settings in TelemFFB.. I've seen the code, but I've never tested it (to load a vpconf profile when you load an aircraft)

TC-Durham•8/18/23, 2:59 AM

Rhino + extension + decent grip + profile = good AH-64D in DCS. Will go post my profile now.

TC-Durham•8/18/23, 3:08 AM

I thought there was a profile channel, but cannot find it. Put this together with the help of a current US Army AH-64E pilot.

ffb_config-2023-05-01_WalmisFrequencies_AH64.vpconf6.09KB

TC-Durham•8/18/23, 3:10 AM

It is a VPC T-50CM2 grip with a 200mm extension - reduced the throw per his instructions with the end stops, and then maxed out the spring, again per his instructions, and all works fine and the force trim is transformational.

CraptakulaR•8/18/23, 7:15 AM

Hello, my Rhino order is now being built

Has anyone mounted their Rhino on a Long Monster.tech desk mount? Does it work well? Did you use an S-Curve extension? If so what size? Virpil only seem to stock the 200mm S curve

does this look reasonable otherwise or has someone been messing with my settings?

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