geforce_effect_enable is that just 1 for on and 0 for off? Or is there a global intensity ?
geforce_effect_enable is that just 1 for on and 0 for off? Or is there a global intensity ?
Nresponded in #VPforce-TelemFFB
MMost cool passively with their gigantic heatsink motor casings the size of a watermelon. Completely impractical and unnecessary for a flight stick. Even if you want huge forces for some god forsaken reason just use bigger motors/belt ratio.
Simracing wheels need to do extremely high freq effects to simulate the vibrate-y feel of rubber meeting road and sharp effects like slamming curbs or landing from jumps etc with enough overhead to also generate the main forces without clipping so need to be very powerful to be able to do this convincingly, particularly with DD that lacks any mechanical advantage like gearing/belts. Aircraft have much lower freq forces so don't need the brute force simracing req and if you need high forces belt reduction does this with a lot less wasted space and money.
Simracing wheels need to do extremely high freq effects to simulate the vibrate-y feel of rubber meeting road and sharp effects like slamming curbs or landing from jumps etc with enough overhead to also generate the main forces without clipping so need to be very powerful to be able to do this convincingly, particularly with DD that lacks any mechanical advantage like gearing/belts. Aircraft have much lower freq forces so don't need the brute force simracing req and if you need high forces belt reduction does this with a lot less wasted space and money.
Awell iirc the f-18 stick was supposed to have something like 15kg max pull force so we're still some ways off even if we forget the sometimes completely freezing controls of some warbirds
Aand yeah it's a good point that the huge torque is for the effects in the steering wheels, I hadn't thought of that
Athe thing with ffb flight controllers is that they need to keep going flat out for extended periods of time
AI guess it might help some that a steering wheel can make do with one motor, whereas a flight controller typically needs double the amount
Jdirect drive ftw
JMaybe gen 2 rhino will use a more powerful set of motors
Adibs on the gen 2 rhino
Aor elephant or whatever
Jdefinitely needs to be named after another protected animal
JCould call it the Meg
Aand heavily poached one
Ahaving a swat team ambush you at the post office is an integral part of the experience
JCalling it the Meg could be references to multiple things
It would be massive in size due to motor size, if he really wanted for a silly joke edition he could have a shark mouth on the leather cover making it look like the base is trying to eat the stick, and with the increased ffb strength, if ur not careful it could 'bite' you
It would be massive in size due to motor size, if he really wanted for a silly joke edition he could have a shark mouth on the leather cover making it look like the base is trying to eat the stick, and with the increased ffb strength, if ur not careful it could 'bite' you
JLastly, it could be in Russian aircraft blue instead of black, further making sense to call it something aquatic 
Ahand painted custom paint jobs would be just the trick for production times
JHe could also have it be twice the cost of the Rhino
DHi! Maybe y’all can help me out does it come prebuilt? Does it have to come prebuilt?
Ayou can buy a prebuilt rhino or a motor kit
Amotor + electronics -kit, I think
DIs there any advantage to one over the other
DSorry im trying to get it as a gift I dont know much
Ayou don't have to build one if you don't want to or if you are like me you don't want anything built by me
Awith the kit you have more options like more powerful motors and of course the structure is completely up to you
Abut I suppose that's for a select few people who can design and build an ffb controller base by themselves
DAnd the kit Is the waitlist just as long 12 months?
Ano
AI think you can get kits very fast
Abut do note that they are very barebones and you will have to build and probably design your own system almost from scratch so it could take a long time
AI don't know if there are complete designs available somewhere since I don't have the skills or facilities to build one for myself, but afaik you get the electronics, motors and software, but everything else is up to you
Aif you intend to go that way you should find someone here who has built his own stuff, there are quite a few around
DThanks!
MThe design the Rhino itself is based off of is open source. There's a few users on here working on build lists and instructions for similiar designs
AOk thanks that's kind of how I thought it was, but I haven't been following the build stuff that carefully and didn't want to give potentially too rosy a picture of the situation for someone looking to buy a kit or a rhino
MIt's definitely not a developed market at the moment, but if you're crafty, there is hope to dodge the queue.
DAnyone know the game elite dangerous
JLong time ago, yes.
DIm wondering if you think the joystick thing would be good for that game
TIt is a great joystick and being ffb makes it easy to configure it how you like it. But I assume elite doesn't benefit much if anything from force feedback from the game
JImagine having 2 Rhinos for HOSAS
T
Pperfect for rowing simulator
LIf Frontier provided an API for accessing in-game events like cargo scoop use, firing, hits and whatnot then maybe? I know there are third party utilities which use some kind of telemetry from Elite and people control their cockpit led lights with it. Also the spaceships fly in the atmosphere of the planets too nowadays so yeah, maybe FFB stick could be nice. But we need devs to open up that data first.
DThanks!
AElite can be problematic since you will be pulling hard on the stick for extended periods of time, since spaceships pretty much never run out of energy
Athis will put a lot of stress on the motors, but perhaps light enough centering force might alleviate that
SGitHub
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PJust wanted to say thanks for the latest update @walmis made a massive difference for my setup, that nasty kickback thing I had at the edges is totally gone, great work, ty.