Could you give more info? Perhaps a screen recording of the VP conf app when that happens
Could you give more info? Perhaps a screen recording of the VP conf app when that happens
HI can try this next week. Is there a log which I could look at?
HSim was dcs, I did not hear a beep and I tried with and without telemffb. I happened with and without
JI don't know exactly how to do that, if I'm honest. But I see the power goes to roughly 15A and then it beeps and the motors disengage.
JI've tried tweaking the settings on the right, thinking it's some kind of threshhold, but no joy.
WWhat's the status down here? After the motors disengage
BWhen I said that it worked for me before -- I've been mostly in DCS for the last three or so weeks until a couple days ago and so this build is much newer than what I used in the beginning, when it worked.
I don't have Sticky turned on for anything.
I don't have Sticky turned on for anything.
JAt the moment, I'm talking specifically on my pedals. It says:
NBecause of the way TelemFFB takes control of the spring for all of MSFS, you will need sticky enabled in order for the spring forces and configured force trim in configurator to work.
I’ve been playing with implementing a pseudo-native force trim in TelemFFB for MSFS but have run into some challenges and haven’t had a chance to run by walmis yet.
I’ve been playing with implementing a pseudo-native force trim in TelemFFB for MSFS but have run into some challenges and haven’t had a chance to run by walmis yet.
HI will look at the status next time it happens and report
WAh, so this happens to pedals motor, not the Rhino? Does this happen during sudden movements or just when increasing tension slowly?
HNo problems with the pedals motor. The Rhino joystick looses it's forces.
WI was referring to Jehlybean there, but in your case we to check if there's a hardware fault or just a software bug.
HOk
Glets say i payed for 2 could I use it for star citizen
TStar Citizen wouldn’t have any FFB but you can still use them like a regular stick. The electronics would replace the springs for centering forces and be tunable. Probably more tunable than a regular spring stick.
NI noticed my fans running a lot more with the latest telemetry update in the f15. Probably because of the simulated g load on the y axis in turns. How hot can the motors get before it gets dangerous? They sit at around 53c in rate fights constantly.
N@walmis
VMine has just been delivered 
Ofc, curiosity got the better of me so I unboxed it at work and just connected to see if everything was OK.
What I noticed is that X motor status was OK, Y motor was OFFLINE in the VP configurator. I did try reconnecting the PSU, engage and disengage E-stop button, nothing changes.
I had to pack it for now, will continue when I get home from work, but I'm curious can anyone get me any pointers what to look at first?
This is all that's in the debug tab
Ofc, curiosity got the better of me so I unboxed it at work and just connected to see if everything was OK. What I noticed is that X motor status was OK, Y motor was OFFLINE in the VP configurator. I did try reconnecting the PSU, engage and disengage E-stop button, nothing changes.
I had to pack it for now, will continue when I get home from work, but I'm curious can anyone get me any pointers what to look at first?
This is all that's in the debug tab
log.txt1.33KB
WDM me when you're available, I'll help you troubleshoot this. My guess it could be a faulty RS485 wire that slipped through testing.
VWill do, thanks
MNot sure if this is a support or general thing. Are helos supposed to be force trim by default in dcs with ffb enabled? I tried the huey, Apache, and gazelle and all of them had spring feeling and return to center. The tension was different, and telemffb effects were playing, so there was telemetry
NAll of that is handled by each individual module. Take a look at the DCS section in the manual in #VPforce Rhino WIP Manual 
it shows what needs to be set up in DCS for the force trim to work.
it shows what needs to be set up in DCS for the force trim to work.N(Also make sure you dont have sticky spring enabled in your vpfconf profile.)
MTyty, I'll take a look at both
MJust confirmed all of those options were set, and none of the modules behaved as described. Sticky spring was not enabled. Maybe I'm misunderstanding force trim, but shouldn't the cyclic remain in place when you set it with power on the blades?
NYou have to set up the force trim bindings per aircraft. Push and hold the force trim button (spring goes limp)..maneuver stick where you want…release force trim button (spring returns, center point where you released).
MWelp, that'll do it.
I definitely only bound the axes, I'll go back and check that lol
I definitely only bound the axes, I'll go back and check that lol
LWith Huey you have to flip Force trim switch on during cold start-up procedure. Before you flip it, stick will have no spring effect. It's in the front part of the centre pedestal.
LAnd you must have 
and probably hydraulic pwr too, can't remember.
and probably hydraulic pwr too, can't remember.
NI think these are should's.. I think in the Huey, even cold and dark, if you flip that switch, it will enable FFB spring
LPossibly, I just flip the switches 
I don't understand how the thing actually works under the hood
I don't understand how the thing actually works under the hoodLAhh I still remember flipping that Huey force trim switch the first time after I had bought Rhino... that's when I realised I had spent my moneys wisely... for once 
LA real toggle switch and I didn't have my VR headset on, so I could see my stick jump to attention 
MI did air/hot starts for all of them
LJust in case, because you mentioned you may not understand force trim, what did you expect would happen when you press the trim button in Huey?
MAssumed that the stick would just hold position, a la not having springs, but having dampeners. I need to sit down with someone who understands helicopters lol
N(IRL) Different helicopters implement force trim in different ways (or some, not at all), and the procedure for using said force trim can be quite different between different helicopters, but, in general...
Helicopters with force trim , when it is enabled, have a magnetic brake that will hold the cyclic in a particular spot. This magnetic brake has a certain amount of spring built into the mechanism such that when it is engaged, you can deflect the cyclic stick to some degree whilst fighting against the springs, but the stick will return to center based on where the mag brake is centered.
To make adjustments to where the brake is holding the stick, you typically press and hold the force trim switch on the cyclic, which disengages the brake. Now you are free to move the stick wherever you want without any resistance. Upon releasing the switch, the brake will re-engage.
Again, each helo is different, but that is the basic principal. Some dont have force trim at all, some have it but rarely use it, and some have it and it is integrated into the autopilot system as well.
For example, my Dad who flew Huey's for 20 years says that force trim (that switch that Fourgrinder mentioned) was never, ever turned on unless flying IFR.
Helicopters with force trim , when it is enabled, have a magnetic brake that will hold the cyclic in a particular spot. This magnetic brake has a certain amount of spring built into the mechanism such that when it is engaged, you can deflect the cyclic stick to some degree whilst fighting against the springs, but the stick will return to center based on where the mag brake is centered.
To make adjustments to where the brake is holding the stick, you typically press and hold the force trim switch on the cyclic, which disengages the brake. Now you are free to move the stick wherever you want without any resistance. Upon releasing the switch, the brake will re-engage.
Again, each helo is different, but that is the basic principal. Some dont have force trim at all, some have it but rarely use it, and some have it and it is integrated into the autopilot system as well.
For example, my Dad who flew Huey's for 20 years says that force trim (that switch that Fourgrinder mentioned) was never, ever turned on unless flying IFR.
MInteresting, so how is the huey supposed to fly without the switch? Just normal spring feel?
NNo.. without the force trim engaged, the stick is just free floating.. no (or very little) resistance
NYou don't let go of the stick.. ever
MThat makes sense
MHI, this is an order issue. I have mistakenly clicked the "cancel preorder" link but then I went through the ordering process so I'm not really sure where we stand now?
WHi, All good, I have accepted your order
H
HJust lost forces again
WWhich sim? (FS2020 TelemFFB/XPforce?)
Also settings look not very optimal. You can load a good baseline profile from
Otherwise everything looks ok (no motor faults, etc). You can also show the Debug tab content.
Also settings look not very optimal. You can load a good baseline profile from
configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconfOtherwise everything looks ok (no motor faults, etc). You can also show the Debug tab content.
HIt's dcs
HI will try a baseline profile these days. Thank you!