What's the status down here? After the motors disengage

NNumber481 TelemFFB doesn’t do anything specific wtr helicopter flight controls (as long a...

blave549•9/3/23, 4:06 PM

When I said that it worked for me before -- I've been mostly in DCS for the last three or so weeks until a couple days ago and so this build is much newer than what I used in the beginning, when it worked.

I don't have Sticky turned on for anything.

Wwalmis What's the status down here? After the motors disengage

Jehly•9/3/23, 4:08 PM

At the moment, I'm talking specifically on my pedals. It says:

FAULT_UNEXPECTED_Q_CURRENT

FAULT_UNEXPECTED_Q_CURRENT

Bblave549 When I said that it worked for me before -- I've been mostly in DCS for the last...

Number481•9/3/23, 4:16 PM

Because of the way TelemFFB takes control of the spring for all of MSFS, you will need sticky enabled in order for the spring forces and configured force trim in configurator to work.

I’ve been playing with implementing a pseudo-native force trim in TelemFFB for MSFS but have run into some challenges and haven’t had a chance to run by walmis yet.

Wwalmis What's the status down here? After the motors disengage

harry•9/3/23, 4:18 PM

I will look at the status next time it happens and report

JJehly At the moment, I'm talking specifically on my pedals. It says: ```FAULT_UNEXPEC...

walmisOP•9/3/23, 4:20 PM

Ah, so this happens to pedals motor, not the Rhino? Does this happen during sudden movements or just when increasing tension slowly?

harry•9/3/23, 4:21 PM

No problems with the pedals motor. The Rhino joystick looses it's forces.

Hharry No problems with the pedals motor. The Rhino joystick looses it's forces.

walmisOP•9/3/23, 4:24 PM

I was referring to Jehlybean there, but in your case we to check if there's a hardware fault or just a software bug.

harry•9/3/23, 4:25 PM

Wwalmis Ah, so this happens to pedals motor, not the Rhino? Does this happen during sudd...

Jehly•9/3/23, 4:31 PM

both

goosemanha•9/6/23, 1:31 AM

lets say i payed for 2 could I use it for star citizen

Ggoosemanha lets say i payed for 2 could I use it for star citizen

TheAmazinGreat•9/6/23, 2:52 PM

Star Citizen wouldn’t have any FFB but you can still use them like a regular stick. The electronics would replace the springs for centering forces and be tunable. Probably more tunable than a regular spring stick.

neok•9/7/23, 1:06 AM

I noticed my fans running a lot more with the latest telemetry update in the f15. Probably because of the simulated g load on the y axis in turns. How hot can the motors get before it gets dangerous? They sit at around 53c in rate fights constantly.

neok•9/7/23, 1:06 AM

@walmis

Nneok I noticed my fans running a lot more with the latest telemetry update in the f15...

Number481•9/7/23, 1:13 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/968209757259300925/1110258162013044831

Vakarian•9/7/23, 9:22 AM

Mine has just been delivered

Ofc, curiosity got the better of me so I unboxed it at work and just connected to see if everything was OK.

What I noticed is that X motor status was OK, Y motor was OFFLINE in the VP configurator. I did try reconnecting the PSU, engage and disengage E-stop button, nothing changes.
I had to pack it for now, will continue when I get home from work, but I'm curious can anyone get me any pointers what to look at first?

This is all that's in the debug tab

log.txt1.33KB

VVakarian Mine has just been delivered 🙂 Ofc, curiosity got the better of me so I unboxed...

walmisOP•9/7/23, 9:44 AM

DM me when you're available, I'll help you troubleshoot this. My guess it could be a faulty RS485 wire that slipped through testing.

Vakarian•9/7/23, 9:44 AM

Will do, thanks

MashedPotato•9/7/23, 11:23 PM

Not sure if this is a support or general thing. Are helos supposed to be force trim by default in dcs with ffb enabled? I tried the huey, Apache, and gazelle and all of them had spring feeling and return to center. The tension was different, and telemffb effects were playing, so there was telemetry

MMashedPotato Not sure if this is a support or general thing. Are helos supposed to be force t...

Number481•9/7/23, 11:27 PM

All of that is handled by each individual module. Take a look at the DCS section in the manual in #VPforce Rhino WIP Manual

it shows what needs to be set up in DCS for the force trim to work.

Number481•9/7/23, 11:28 PM

(Also make sure you dont have sticky spring enabled in your vpfconf profile.)

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 12:09 AM

Tyty, I'll take a look at both

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 12:27 AM

Just confirmed all of those options were set, and none of the modules behaved as described. Sticky spring was not enabled. Maybe I'm misunderstanding force trim, but shouldn't the cyclic remain in place when you set it with power on the blades?

Number481•9/8/23, 12:29 AM

You have to set up the force trim bindings per aircraft. Push and hold the force trim button (spring goes limp)..maneuver stick where you want…release force trim button (spring returns, center point where you released).

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 12:54 AM

Welp, that'll do it.
I definitely only bound the axes, I'll go back and check that lol

MMashedPotato Welp, that'll do it. I definitely only bound the axes, I'll go back and check th...

LeLv30_Superbus•9/8/23, 4:25 PM

With Huey you have to flip Force trim switch on during cold start-up procedure. Before you flip it, stick will have no spring effect. It's in the front part of the centre pedestal.

LeLv30_Superbus•9/8/23, 4:27 PM

And you must have

and probably hydraulic pwr too, can't remember.

LLeLv30_Superbus And you must have ⚡ and probably hydraulic pwr too, can't remember.

Number481•9/8/23, 4:42 PM

I think these are should's.. I think in the Huey, even cold and dark, if you flip that switch, it will enable FFB spring

LeLv30_Superbus•9/8/23, 4:43 PM

Possibly, I just flip the switches

I don't understand how the thing actually works under the hood

LeLv30_Superbus•9/8/23, 4:46 PM

Ahh I still remember flipping that Huey force trim switch the first time after I had bought Rhino... that's when I realised I had spent my moneys wisely... for once

LeLv30_Superbus•9/8/23, 4:49 PM

A real toggle switch and I didn't have my VR headset on, so I could see my stick jump to attention

LLeLv30_Superbus With Huey you have to flip Force trim switch on during cold start-up procedure. ...

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 4:53 PM

I did air/hot starts for all of them

LeLv30_Superbus•9/8/23, 4:56 PM

Just in case, because you mentioned you may not understand force trim, what did you expect would happen when you press the trim button in Huey?

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 6:18 PM

Assumed that the stick would just hold position, a la not having springs, but having dampeners. I need to sit down with someone who understands helicopters lol

MMashedPotato Assumed that the stick would just hold position, a la not having springs, but ha...

Number481•9/8/23, 6:42 PM

(IRL) Different helicopters implement force trim in different ways (or some, not at all), and the procedure for using said force trim can be quite different between different helicopters, but, in general...

Helicopters with force trim , when it is enabled, have a magnetic brake that will hold the cyclic in a particular spot. This magnetic brake has a certain amount of spring built into the mechanism such that when it is engaged, you can deflect the cyclic stick to some degree whilst fighting against the springs, but the stick will return to center based on where the mag brake is centered.

To make adjustments to where the brake is holding the stick, you typically press and hold the force trim switch on the cyclic, which disengages the brake. Now you are free to move the stick wherever you want without any resistance. Upon releasing the switch, the brake will re-engage.

Again, each helo is different, but that is the basic principal. Some dont have force trim at all, some have it but rarely use it, and some have it and it is integrated into the autopilot system as well.

For example, my Dad who flew Huey's for 20 years says that force trim (that switch that Fourgrinder mentioned) was never, ever turned on unless flying IFR.

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 6:44 PM

Interesting, so how is the huey supposed to fly without the switch? Just normal spring feel?

MMashedPotato Interesting, so how is the huey supposed to fly without the switch? Just normal ...

Number481•9/8/23, 6:45 PM

No.. without the force trim engaged, the stick is just free floating.. no (or very little) resistance

Number481•9/8/23, 6:45 PM

You don't let go of the stick.. ever

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 6:47 PM

That makes sense

Mr. S•9/9/23, 3:44 PM

HI, this is an order issue. I have mistakenly clicked the "cancel preorder" link but then I went through the ordering process so I'm not really sure where we stand now?

MMr. S HI, this is an order issue. I have mistakenly clicked the "cancel preorder" link...

walmisOP•9/9/23, 5:16 PM

Hi, All good, I have accepted your order

harry•9/10/23, 2:18 PM

harry•9/10/23, 2:18 PM

Just lost forces again

Hharry Click to see attachment

walmisOP•9/10/23, 5:04 PM

Which sim? (FS2020 TelemFFB/XPforce?)
Also settings look not very optimal. You can load a good baseline profile from configs/RHINO-defaults.vpconfconfigs/RHINO-defaults.vpconf
Otherwise everything looks ok (no motor faults, etc). You can also show the Debug tab content.

Hharry Sim was dcs, I did not hear a beep and I tried with and without telemffb. I happ...

harry•9/11/23, 4:38 AM

It's dcs

harry•9/11/23, 4:43 AM

I will try a baseline profile these days. Thank you!

harry•9/11/23, 5:48 AM

And no telemffb

Hharry It's dcs

walmisOP•9/11/23, 5:52 AM

Try flying with debug tab open, the log might give some clues

harry•9/11/23, 5:53 AM

harry•9/11/23, 2:27 PM

loaded default profile , but now my brake lever on the joystick does not work anymore and i cannot set it up again...Unfortunately i have to stop testing now

Hharry loaded default profile , but now my brake lever on the joystick does not work an...

walmisOP•9/11/23, 3:03 PM

Change grip to the T-50CM2 and calibrate it

What's the status down here? After the motors disengage

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