If you don't have an existing stick I'd recommend Virpil, they attach directly to the Rhino. VKB GF

If you don't have an existing stick I'd recommend Virpil, they attach directly to the Rhino. VKB GF sticks additionally need an adapter and a VKB black box. WinWing also work directly with Rhino, but need an additional VPforce WinWIng adapter.

Aviron.Faulty•9/8/23, 7:52 AM

+1 for virpil. unless you really want f-16 or f/a-18

mark turner•9/8/23, 12:16 PM

@walmis Will the Real simulator F18 grip be compatible please?

Mmark turner @walmis Will the Real simulator F18 grip be compatible please?

walmisOP•9/8/23, 12:19 PM

Yeah, however in the current firmware not all buttons are supported

walmisOP•9/8/23, 12:19 PM

Next firmware will address this

mark turner•9/8/23, 12:21 PM

Great, thanks....rough timescale on the new firmware?

Wwalmis If you don't have an existing stick I'd recommend Virpil, they attach directly t...

pahi•9/8/23, 1:54 PM

Alright, thanks for the advice.

pahi•9/8/23, 1:55 PM

I have a f-16 realsimulator grip for my fssb-base. Would that be superior to the virpil stick?

Mmark turner @walmis Will the Real simulator F18 grip be compatible please?

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 2:11 PM

The F-18 grips have btle, so you can still use them as long as your pc has Bluetooth before the firmware update drops

Ppahi I have a f-16 realsimulator grip for my fssb-base. Would that be superior to the...

MashedPotato•9/8/23, 2:13 PM

Haven't tried my F-16 grip, but I would assume it would have the same issue as the F/A-18 with the current firmware, whatever buttons work as the super modifiers in RS software will not be caught by the rhino in current firmware

MMashedPotato Haven't tried my F-16 grip, but I would assume it would have the same issue as t...

pahi•9/8/23, 2:17 PM

That is fine. I am still some number 200 in line.

VPforceBot•9/8/23, 3:04 PM

:package: RHINO #0187 Has Shipped!

jc523•9/8/23, 6:18 PM

It's finally happening! 7 more Rhinos until my number comes up. I think I've found a used virpil z-extension somewhat locally that I can hopefully get before my Rhino arrives.
I got on the waiting list in January of this year, so about an 8 month turn around time.

mark turner•9/8/23, 9:40 PM

I had issues getting the Bluetooth working previously and ended up selling the real simulator grip. But considering getting another. So if the firmware update is fairly imminent, then that’s good

MashedPotato•9/9/23, 5:34 AM

The btle is finicky for sure. Only Walmis would know when the next update is planned, but I'm definitely excited for the prospect of not having to use the btle bindings and getting 2 devices out of my cluttered list on dcs

CBrunschen•9/9/23, 9:12 AM

This might be of general interest: The recent FAI Virtual Sailplane Grand Prix was sponsored by Thrustmaster, and during one of the livestreams there was an interview where a question was asked about possible future force feedback joysticks, with a noncommittal but perhaps slightly positive-ish answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QPDOfXPRY&t=306s

YouTubeFAI Virtual Gliding

Interview Thrustmaster - 2nd Virtual Sailplane Grand Prix - World F...

CBrunschen•9/9/23, 9:25 AM

I think the answer can be summarized as "People have been thinking about [a new force feedback joystick] including in our R&D department. It takes time to launch a product. There may be some news at the end of this year or beginning of next year; watch this space." but that of course does not guarantee anything.

CCBrunschen I think the answer can be summarized as "People have been thinking about [a new ...

Bob Bushman•9/9/23, 10:44 AM

If TM makes one it's going to be at most half the force of the rhino, and probably same price, significantly less features. And obviously only work with thrustmaster grips.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 11:57 AM

More FFB is great for the industry as a whole if it means more games/modules implement proper FFB

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:01 PM

And remember how long it takes TM to implement things. They only recently in the past year or so released their first direct drive wheel base.

JJon (Bounty_V)More FFB is great for the industry as a whole if it means more games/modules imp...

Number481•9/9/23, 12:01 PM

This.. %0 chance I'd buy a FFB base from TM.. but if it advances FFB, I'm all for it

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:01 PM

We've not had proper new flight sim hardware from TM since the yoke and pendulum pedals

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:04 PM

You also have to keep in mind the priveleged sense of perspective we have as sim enthusiasts. We already know every single brand on the market, everything they offer, and their pros and cons. To the average consumer who doesn't know anything about flight sims except that Xbox has an airplane game now (MSFS 2020), they'll have at least heard of Thrustmaster. So when they go to WalMart or Best Buy (USA example) what products will they see? Thrustmaster or Logitech. They are way more likely to buy something from Thrustmaster for flying on their Xbox than they are to decide to buy a PC, and discover other brands like Virpil etc.

So a company like Thrustmaster, with such widespread marketing reach that is already well established in the public's eye releasing a FFB base will be the single biggest improvement that could be made to the FFB landscape in terms of generating real change.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:06 PM

If we want to see FFB in a game like MSFS 2024, a company like TM making a FFB stick would go a long way in making that a reality. Because you know TM would want their FFB stick to be compatible on Xbox, so they'd (both TM and Asobo) want MSFS to be compatible with it.

JJon (Bounty_V)We've not had proper new flight sim hardware from TM since the yoke and pendulum...

CBrunschen•9/9/23, 12:37 PM

I agree: A new Force Feedback Joystick from a recognized brand like Thrustmaster will mainly raise the visibility of force feedback for flight simulation purposes, by making force feedback more widely accessible, and that would hopefully encourage software evelopers to support force feedback in more flight simulators. That's why I think this is an interesting development.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:40 PM

I guess an F16 throttle module did just come outas well

exil35•9/9/23, 1:11 PM

Hey guys, just a quick question. Would it be possible to use the rhino with a selfmade 3d printed stick?

AndyHill•9/9/23, 1:31 PM

I don't see why not

exil35•9/9/23, 1:39 PM

I am worried about the connection a bit (sorry, really a noob with that stuff). So i would need an adapter with the wires coming from the stick connected to the adapter, correct?

AndyHill•9/9/23, 1:49 PM

it's essentially a normal thrustmaster connector so if your stick connects to a regular tm base, it should work with a rhino

AndyHill•9/9/23, 1:49 PM

or a virpil connection, which is very similar

Brizzly•9/9/23, 2:08 PM

My VP Force number can't come quick enough. My Brunner overheats way too easily.

AAndyHill it's essentially a normal thrustmaster connector so if your stick connects to a ...

exil35•9/9/23, 2:36 PM

Not at the moment. It's not even build yet. I was just thinking of building my own stick when the rhino ships. But this should be possible to do i guess if i can get hold of the connectors somehow.

Bob Bushman•9/9/23, 2:42 PM

TM uses a pretty stock 5 pin mini din connector, worst case you get them from aliexpress etc.

AndyHill•9/9/23, 3:20 PM

note that if you build a completely rigid connection like thrustmaster does, you won't be able to rotate the stick, which is usually not ideal

exil35•9/9/23, 3:29 PM

Good point! You mean for ergonomical reasons? I can possibly find a solution for that. The question is more how does the rhino recognize my buttons and switches with the 5 pin mini din. But this will get off topic. I surely have to do some more research on this project. Thanks a lot for your help so far!

Bob Bushman•9/9/23, 3:35 PM

There is also some circuitry and shift registers involved.
Dont really know more than whats in this post since I havent had much chance for diy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/45j5pk/tm_warthog_stick_circuitry/

From the hoggit community on Reddit: TM Warthog Stick Circuitry

Explore this post and more from the hoggit community

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 4:10 PM

I have a question regarding building a sim rig. I have bought a set of hikig desk mounts and am in the process of designing an alu sim rig. I was hoping to reuse the flanges that connect my sticks to the extrusion, but I have noticed that the 20x60 profile I have seems to have an 8 slot, while the 2060 profiles I can find online have a 5 slot instead. Are there different versions of the profile or am I measuring incorrectly?

TonyZ2525•9/9/23, 8:40 PM

@walmisHow many total orders do you have now and what are you up to now on deliveries? I am trying to decide if I should order one and if I will live long enough to receive it...This is not a dig or a joke...I am a 63 yr old man in poor health and there is no guarantee that I will live long enough to get one even if I order now.

TTonyZ2525 @walmisHow many total orders do you have now and what are you up to now on deliv...

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 8:52 PM

If you would like to have one soonish I'd suggest looking into diy'ing or having someone do that for you, lead time is around 8 months to a year iirc

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 8:53 PM

Walmis can send you a pcb and motors and you'll have to figure out the psu and gimbal, there are a few examples in #

showcase

TonyZ2525•9/9/23, 8:56 PM

@fierce_fireI am aware of this but I do not have access to tools needed to DIY it. I live in an urban Apt. with no access to tools or workshop but thanks for the suggestion. Unless I can find someone to do the hardware then I might consider a diy motor kit but can't do the work myself.

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 8:57 PM

I also dont have any cnc equipment or anything but I believe some shops might be able to machine/lasercut parts for you and all you'd need to do is assemble it

TonyZ2525•9/9/23, 8:59 PM

Thanks again...Maybe someone out there can give me more details on having that work done with ordering details...I have seen the many designs that people are making and like most of them.

Eexil35 Hey guys, just a quick question. Would it be possible to use the rhino with a se...

PiNKSH!T•9/10/23, 11:53 AM

Rhino will work with diy grips, use a shift register. Walmis might even sell them not sure on that though

ToreDL87•9/10/23, 2:19 PM

Yeah only issue, from what I saw on the "Honey" thread over on DCS forums, is that an adapter made out of weak material might result in higher (than wanted) deflection (?).

PPiNKSH!T Rhino will work with diy grips, use a shift register. Walmis might even sell the...

exil35•9/10/23, 2:48 PM

Thank you for getting back to this topic. I am still in the reading/watching tutorials process but as far as i understand i could use a arduino micro inside the stick and connect that to a 5 pin mini din (i might be awefully wrong here though). I'll have a look into shift registers now.

smitty•9/10/23, 2:49 PM

walmis sells a nice little shift register board, no arduino needed

Eexil35 Thank you for getting back to this topic. I am still in the reading/watching tut...

PiNKSH!T•9/10/23, 2:50 PM

I though he sold them

exil35•9/10/23, 2:51 PM

Awesome! Thanks guys!

If you don't have an existing stick I'd recommend Virpil, they attach directly to the Rhino. VKB GF

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