I think the answer can be summarized as "People have been thinking about [a new force feedback joyst

I think the answer can be summarized as "People have been thinking about [a new force feedback joystick] including in our R&D department. It takes time to launch a product. There may be some news at the end of this year or beginning of next year; watch this space." but that of course does not guarantee anything.

CCBrunschen I think the answer can be summarized as "People have been thinking about [a new ...

Bob Bushman•9/9/23, 10:44 AM

If TM makes one it's going to be at most half the force of the rhino, and probably same price, significantly less features. And obviously only work with thrustmaster grips.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 11:57 AM

More FFB is great for the industry as a whole if it means more games/modules implement proper FFB

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:01 PM

And remember how long it takes TM to implement things. They only recently in the past year or so released their first direct drive wheel base.

JJon (Bounty_V)More FFB is great for the industry as a whole if it means more games/modules imp...

Number481•9/9/23, 12:01 PM

This.. %0 chance I'd buy a FFB base from TM.. but if it advances FFB, I'm all for it

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:01 PM

We've not had proper new flight sim hardware from TM since the yoke and pendulum pedals

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:04 PM

You also have to keep in mind the priveleged sense of perspective we have as sim enthusiasts. We already know every single brand on the market, everything they offer, and their pros and cons. To the average consumer who doesn't know anything about flight sims except that Xbox has an airplane game now (MSFS 2020), they'll have at least heard of Thrustmaster. So when they go to WalMart or Best Buy (USA example) what products will they see? Thrustmaster or Logitech. They are way more likely to buy something from Thrustmaster for flying on their Xbox than they are to decide to buy a PC, and discover other brands like Virpil etc.

So a company like Thrustmaster, with such widespread marketing reach that is already well established in the public's eye releasing a FFB base will be the single biggest improvement that could be made to the FFB landscape in terms of generating real change.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:06 PM

If we want to see FFB in a game like MSFS 2024, a company like TM making a FFB stick would go a long way in making that a reality. Because you know TM would want their FFB stick to be compatible on Xbox, so they'd (both TM and Asobo) want MSFS to be compatible with it.

JJon (Bounty_V)We've not had proper new flight sim hardware from TM since the yoke and pendulum...

CBrunschenOP•9/9/23, 12:37 PM

I agree: A new Force Feedback Joystick from a recognized brand like Thrustmaster will mainly raise the visibility of force feedback for flight simulation purposes, by making force feedback more widely accessible, and that would hopefully encourage software evelopers to support force feedback in more flight simulators. That's why I think this is an interesting development.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/9/23, 12:40 PM

I guess an F16 throttle module did just come outas well

exil35•9/9/23, 1:11 PM

Hey guys, just a quick question. Would it be possible to use the rhino with a selfmade 3d printed stick?

AndyHill•9/9/23, 1:31 PM

I don't see why not

exil35•9/9/23, 1:39 PM

I am worried about the connection a bit (sorry, really a noob with that stuff). So i would need an adapter with the wires coming from the stick connected to the adapter, correct?

AndyHill•9/9/23, 1:49 PM

it's essentially a normal thrustmaster connector so if your stick connects to a regular tm base, it should work with a rhino

AndyHill•9/9/23, 1:49 PM

or a virpil connection, which is very similar

Brizzly•9/9/23, 2:08 PM

My VP Force number can't come quick enough. My Brunner overheats way too easily.

AAndyHill it's essentially a normal thrustmaster connector so if your stick connects to a ...

exil35•9/9/23, 2:36 PM

Not at the moment. It's not even build yet. I was just thinking of building my own stick when the rhino ships. But this should be possible to do i guess if i can get hold of the connectors somehow.

Bob Bushman•9/9/23, 2:42 PM

TM uses a pretty stock 5 pin mini din connector, worst case you get them from aliexpress etc.

AndyHill•9/9/23, 3:20 PM

note that if you build a completely rigid connection like thrustmaster does, you won't be able to rotate the stick, which is usually not ideal

exil35•9/9/23, 3:29 PM

Good point! You mean for ergonomical reasons? I can possibly find a solution for that. The question is more how does the rhino recognize my buttons and switches with the 5 pin mini din. But this will get off topic. I surely have to do some more research on this project. Thanks a lot for your help so far!

Bob Bushman•9/9/23, 3:35 PM

There is also some circuitry and shift registers involved.
Dont really know more than whats in this post since I havent had much chance for diy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/45j5pk/tm_warthog_stick_circuitry/

From the hoggit community on Reddit: TM Warthog Stick Circuitry

Explore this post and more from the hoggit community

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 4:10 PM

I have a question regarding building a sim rig. I have bought a set of hikig desk mounts and am in the process of designing an alu sim rig. I was hoping to reuse the flanges that connect my sticks to the extrusion, but I have noticed that the 20x60 profile I have seems to have an 8 slot, while the 2060 profiles I can find online have a 5 slot instead. Are there different versions of the profile or am I measuring incorrectly?

TonyZ2525•9/9/23, 8:40 PM

@walmisHow many total orders do you have now and what are you up to now on deliveries? I am trying to decide if I should order one and if I will live long enough to receive it...This is not a dig or a joke...I am a 63 yr old man in poor health and there is no guarantee that I will live long enough to get one even if I order now.

TTonyZ2525 @walmisHow many total orders do you have now and what are you up to now on deliv...

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 8:52 PM

If you would like to have one soonish I'd suggest looking into diy'ing or having someone do that for you, lead time is around 8 months to a year iirc

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 8:53 PM

Walmis can send you a pcb and motors and you'll have to figure out the psu and gimbal, there are a few examples in #

showcase

TonyZ2525•9/9/23, 8:56 PM

@fierce_fireI am aware of this but I do not have access to tools needed to DIY it. I live in an urban Apt. with no access to tools or workshop but thanks for the suggestion. Unless I can find someone to do the hardware then I might consider a diy motor kit but can't do the work myself.

Fierce_Fire•9/9/23, 8:57 PM

I also dont have any cnc equipment or anything but I believe some shops might be able to machine/lasercut parts for you and all you'd need to do is assemble it

TonyZ2525•9/9/23, 8:59 PM

Thanks again...Maybe someone out there can give me more details on having that work done with ordering details...I have seen the many designs that people are making and like most of them.

Eexil35 Hey guys, just a quick question. Would it be possible to use the rhino with a se...

PiNKSH!T•9/10/23, 11:53 AM

Rhino will work with diy grips, use a shift register. Walmis might even sell them not sure on that though

ToreDL87•9/10/23, 2:19 PM

Yeah only issue, from what I saw on the "Honey" thread over on DCS forums, is that an adapter made out of weak material might result in higher (than wanted) deflection (?).

PPiNKSH!T Rhino will work with diy grips, use a shift register. Walmis might even sell the...

exil35•9/10/23, 2:48 PM

Thank you for getting back to this topic. I am still in the reading/watching tutorials process but as far as i understand i could use a arduino micro inside the stick and connect that to a 5 pin mini din (i might be awefully wrong here though). I'll have a look into shift registers now.

smitty•9/10/23, 2:49 PM

walmis sells a nice little shift register board, no arduino needed

Eexil35 Thank you for getting back to this topic. I am still in the reading/watching tut...

PiNKSH!T•9/10/23, 2:50 PM

I though he sold them

exil35•9/10/23, 2:51 PM

Awesome! Thanks guys!

Eexil35 Awesome! Thanks guys!

PiNKSH!T•9/10/23, 2:51 PM

no worries m8

TTonyZ2525 @walmisHow many total orders do you have now and what are you up to now on deliv...

TheZoq2•9/11/23, 7:02 AM

The good thing is that you don't pay until you're a few weeks from delivery, so you can sign up now and decide later

TTonyZ2525 @walmisHow many total orders do you have now and what are you up to now on deliv...

jc523•9/11/23, 12:39 PM

!status

Jjc523 !status

VPforceBot•9/11/23, 12:39 PM

Hey @jc523,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0187 on 2023-09-08
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 203 days, median is 216 days, max is 292 days
185 Rhinos are shipped in total

TonyZ2525•9/11/23, 12:43 PM

@jc523 I am familiar with this bot but it does NOT tell me the total number of orders so far....I would rather make my own estimates rather than rely on the bots estimate....thx anyway

Bob Bushman•9/11/23, 1:07 PM

It will tell your number and how many are ahead of you.

Bob Bushman•9/11/23, 1:07 PM

Once you sign into the queue that is.

TTonyZ2525 @jc523 I am familiar with this bot but it does NOT tell me the total number of o...

Jehly•9/11/23, 1:52 PM

You could just put yourself in line. I jumped a few spaces because those that got in before me, one way or another, did not have their orders filled. It’s been said the average per month is about 24. So, when you put your name down, take your assigned S/N, subtract the number the bot says it’s currently on, divide that by 24, that’s how many months you’ll likely have to wait.

Bob Bushman•9/11/23, 2:04 PM

The bot simply tells you how many are left before you, and updates as units ship and others drop off.

Simply ping the bot and divide the remaining number with a guesstimate of units delivered monthly.

DrQuinn•9/11/23, 2:44 PM

To give an idea of how many people drop once it's time to actually pay, my order number was 315, origianal SN given was 285. I am now paid and 4 units away with SN 191.

ToreDL87•9/11/23, 2:45 PM

Just paid mine but got invoice 3 days ago, was "8.25" months for me, my original number was pretty high as well but 100-150 people somehow didn't want one anymore so now I'm SN 188.

Jon (Bounty_V)•9/11/23, 2:47 PM

Yeah I was like 120 something originally and got in the mid 90s for my actual unit

ToreDL87•9/11/23, 2:48 PM

Yeah only 8 months'ish of waiting, I've waited a whole lot longer for a whole lot less, the MSFFB2 kept me in the loop just fine for years anyway.

Bob Bushman•9/11/23, 3:36 PM

Being able to afford it when time comes is certainly a concern for me.

But my thinking is worst case this thing is so special I'll scalp it to a local flightsimmer if I really need the money.

Bob Bushman•9/11/23, 3:37 PM

I was #496, currently #423

Bob Bushman•9/11/23, 3:39 PM

And that's falloff, not from units delivered, actual units ahead of me is 236 atm.

I think the answer can be summarized as "People have been thinking about [a new force feedback joyst

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