VPforce Controls•3y ago

So day three of having this thing. Wondering if folks could point me in the right direction to find

So day three of having this thing. Wondering if folks could point me in the right direction to find this setting:

how to make it harder to pitch when you’re going really fast and the control surfaces are compressed. Thinking having to pull hard to get out of a dive. (Edit: is only fly DCS - warbirds, mirage f-1 mostly)

DrQuinn•9/25/23, 5:40 PM

Assume that is done via TelemFFB unless the aircraft has FFB enabled and setup for it.

DDrQuinn Assume that is done via TelemFFB unless the aircraft has FFB enabled and setup f...

MackOP•9/25/23, 6:05 PM

I don’t see it in any DCS module.

DrQuinn•9/25/23, 6:10 PM

Look at the VPForce manual section 3.4.5.1

MackOP•9/25/23, 6:17 PM

Ok. That’s close - not sure exactly the same as control surface compression. Like a p-51 in a dive is 1-G still but pulling out requires more force beaxuse of the air on the elevator. If I’m not mistaken.

MackOP•9/25/23, 6:27 PM

This would be in addition to the g-loading once a turn is happening.

MackOP•9/25/23, 6:32 PM

anyone disagree?

MMack Ok. That’s close - not sure exactly the same as control surface compression. L...

Number481•9/25/23, 6:33 PM

you're right that it is not exactly the same thing in that the math is derived from different data, but it is intended to approximate the same phenomenon. The faster you are going, the higher the g-loading will be with a given control input.

NNumber481 you're right that it is not exactly the same thing in that the math is derived f...

MackOP•9/25/23, 6:34 PM

Thanks Champ!!

Number481•9/25/23, 6:39 PM

iirc, some aircraft (like the P-51) do implement some control tightening when coming out of a dive for example, but it is not configurable and doesn't achieve the forces that can be gained from the TelemFFB effect (which isn't perfect either, BTW)

MackOP•9/25/23, 6:51 PM

Stupid question: but I don’t understand how to edit the TelemFFB values. Do I need to install python and edit a file that way?

MMack Stupid question: but I don’t understand how to edit the TelemFFB values. Do I ...

Number481•9/25/23, 6:54 PM

assuming you've downloaded the latest build from here: https://vpforcecontrols.com/downloads/TelemFFB/?C=M;O=A

I would suggest creating a copy of config.ini and name it config.user.iniconfig.user.ini. You can then use any text editor to edit your user config. Values in the user config will override the default values in the primary (config.ini) file.

MackOP•9/25/23, 11:52 PM

So I need to enable effects in VP force config in order for the game or Telem FFB to use those types of effects? Said differently, can a game or telem FFB use effects if I don’t have an effect enabled in the configuration ? (DCS is my only game). Is this question clear?

SR-F_Winger_[73]_David•9/26/23, 8:29 AM

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VPforceBot•9/26/23, 9:56 AM

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SSR-F_Winger_[73]_David I if anyone reconsiders and wants to give up his spot please contact me. Ill tak...

Spatz•9/26/23, 10:41 AM

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MMack So day three of having this thing. Wondering if folks could point me in the rig...

MichalK•9/26/23, 10:48 AM

Just so you know, DCS warbirds have this effect already implemented to some extent by ED, while more modern aircraft usually do not do that in DCS nor in real life

MMack So I need to enable effects in VP force config in order for the game or Telem FF...

Number481•9/26/23, 11:38 AM

VPf configurator is the general config utility for the Rhino. It defines the maximum force capabilities for any of the effect categories like spring, periodic, damper, etc..

TelemFFB is %100 optional for DCS and is only a haptic effects generation app (things like engine rumble, gunfire, etc.). %99 of the effects are either periodic or constant force based, so those sliders in VPf configurator will define the maximum strength of those effects types.

Within the TelemFFB config, you set the intensity for each of the effects individually as a percentage of the maximum value. So if you had the periodic slider in configurator at 0, any effect in TelemFFB that is periodic based (most of them) would effectively be disabled.

I normally run my periodic slider at %50 and my constant force slider at %100.

MMichalK Just so you know, DCS warbirds have this effect already implemented to some exte...

MackOP•9/26/23, 2:11 PM

Hmm. Ok. I think I’m doing something wrong then because I’m not feeling it.

MMack Hmm. Ok. I think I’m doing something wrong then because I’m not feeling it.

walmis•9/26/23, 2:18 PM

If you stall in TF-51 for example the stick most definitely should go limp during the stall.

MackOP•9/26/23, 2:38 PM

I’ve done most of my testing on the spit, bf-109 and the mirage f-1. Which is what I fly mostly

NNumber481 VPf configurator is the general config utility for the Rhino. It defines the ma...

MackOP•9/26/23, 2:40 PM

I’ll set mine to the same and keep playing.

MMack So day three of having this thing. Wondering if folks could point me in the rig...

Boggy•9/26/23, 3:02 PM

I'm trialling the MB339 and it has this. When you're slow the control stick feels kinda limp and as speed picks up it gets harder to move. Really nicely done. I don't recall any other module having this implement but could be wrong.

As a side note, my F5 feels crazy sensitive, despite having the same axis settings as other modules.

MichalK•9/26/23, 3:21 PM

In DCS this is fairly consistent. Aircraft with mechanical controls have the stick forces increase with speed, and aircraft with hydraulic controls don't. Which is as it should be.

MMack I’ve done most of my testing on the spit, bf-109 and the mirage f-1. Which is w...

Number481•9/26/23, 4:01 PM

Are you sure you have FFB enabled in DCS?

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:14 PM

Yes. I get some effects.

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:15 PM

So far the only real feedback I’ve noticed is the haptic stuff here and there, and when I’m taking off in the mirage f-1 the stick moves as I get up to take off speed.

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:15 PM

I also get the constant effects I put in the configurator

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:17 PM

I must be doing something wrong because it’s underwhelming so far

MMack I must be doing something wrong because it’s underwhelming so far

Number481•9/26/23, 4:43 PM

I don't have the F1 so I don't know what its FFB implementation is like, but.. what exactly are you expecting? FFB by itself (without TelemFFB in the picture) will completely depend on a given modules implementation and will usually consist of dynamic stick forces if the module is not FBW hydraulic and maybe AoA/Stall shake.

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:45 PM

In addition to the constant effects I put in the configurator. In spitfire and 109 Only some shaking at high AoA.

Number481•9/26/23, 4:52 PM

thats all you'll get for those modules unless you are running TelemFFB. Dynamic stick forces and AoA shake.

The default settings in TelemFFB for both of those aircraft should have engine rumble, gunfire, runway rumble, g-force loading, elevator droop (simulate weight of elevator when stopped), gear/flaps/canopy/speedbrake motion, gear/speedbrake drag buffeting

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:54 PM

What is dynamic stick forces?

Number481•9/26/23, 4:55 PM

spring gain changes based on your airspeed.. when stopped, the controls are floppy. when near stall speed, the controls are mushy.. in flight, the spring is tight and self centering

MackOP•9/26/23, 4:57 PM

I’m not feeling this noticeably. I must have the settings incorrectly set

Number481•9/26/23, 5:02 PM

next best suggestion I have is to post screenshots of your settings and effects tab in VPf configurator (maybe do it in #

support just so we stop spamming this channel)

MackOP•9/26/23, 6:17 PM

Fair

GeezAlbert•9/26/23, 8:10 PM

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VPforceBot•9/26/23, 8:10 PM

Hey @geezalbert,
So the last Shipped RHINO is #0204 on 2023-09-26
Average waiting time from preorder to shipped is 205 days, median is 219 days, max is 292 days
202 Rhinos are shipped in total

Ophelia•9/26/23, 9:03 PM

what time period is that over?

Lassekongo•9/26/23, 9:55 PM

A question regarding the hydraulic feel. Right now i got two 1:5 rc dampers hooked on to my vkb gunfighter and was looking to get a virpil to add mc steering dampers as it have a 3d print design available for steering dampers setup (the one mfg uses for example)

But i much rather get the VP rhino instead

Might be hard to give a general answer on but in summary if anyone here is an irl active or former pilot or have a similar diy hydrualic dampened sim joystick like me and a VP rhino i would really appreciate your opinion on how well force feedback motors emulate hydrualic feeling

MashedPotato•9/26/23, 10:29 PM

Own rhino, but never flown. Do have a damper on my pedals, and I will say the rhino software really let's you dial it in, and it feels more similar to the hydraulic damper, than to the friction dampers that VKB and Virpil use. The software lets you dial in dampening, friction, and inertia to your liking

AndyHill•9/27/23, 1:09 AM

my only experience with hydraulic dampers is the one on my mfg pedals

AndyHill•9/27/23, 1:09 AM

I also tried to get different dry clutches to work but always got way too much sticktion for my taste

AndyHill•9/27/23, 1:11 AM

as far as I can tell the rhino is in a league of its own, the abovementioned adjustments give you the possibility to set it up pretty much to your liking

amadeus•9/27/23, 1:14 AM

Dry clutches have a lot of stiction issues

amadeus•9/27/23, 1:14 AM

Nyogel can help, but it’ll never fully fix it

amadeus•9/27/23, 1:14 AM

Just a physical limitation

amadeus•9/27/23, 1:15 AM

Need a wet clutch or a rhino

smitty•9/27/23, 1:15 AM

i built my old stick gimbal using teflon sheets under a spring, had very little stiction. but rhino is sooo much better

AndyHill•9/27/23, 1:20 AM

My problem is that I'm extremely allergic to sticktion but I want dampening

So day three of having this thing. Wondering if folks could point me in the right direction to find

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