The Rhino Base is 800€ not 1.000€ or am I missing something?
The Rhino Base is 800€ not 1.000€ or am I missing something?
JConvert that plus shipping to $ and its pretty accurate
SAh right - thanks for clarifying 
BOr shipping+ 25% tax, you get there and then some.
H@_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recentering of the stick origin require changing the settings up in the VP force program? Because by default I'm fairly sure that's not the behavior of the stick. Or maybe is that one of the effects of using the telemFFB program?
WDCS changes the center point when you trim certain aircraft, namely F-14, F-5, russian jets, WWII warbirds and others. For helos when you press trim release and move the stick to a new position and release it, the stick will be spring centered in that new physical position
NNo on both accounts. It is part of the DCS FFB implementation. DCS tells the base what the new center is when you release the force trim
NI have only been trying to explain why instant trim is the correct mode for FFB and why it behaves the way it does with standard sprung joysticks
HI think a better way to resolve my confusion is to just ask what the functional difference is between the instant trim and stick with no spring and FFB setting
HBecause all of what you're describing is also the behavior of the no spring and FFB trim setting from what I've seen
NWell you’ll have to ask Eagle dynamics and/or the module developers because my understanding is that the “no springs and FFB” option is for regular non FFB joysticks without springs that rely on friction clutches. And, in my experience, the option does not activate FFB in any way (and therefor does not work). At least in UH1
NBest to try all options and pick the one that works best for you the way you want to fly helos.
HThis is where my confusion comes in. I'll have to do some experimenting and report back on what the functional difference is
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RHINO #0207 Has Shipped!
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FOk I’ll sent to you in a moment.
MOkay
MI am currently gone and will be home at 5. It’s 9am for me so it’s gonna be about the day till I can do it.
MHope that’s fine
FJust paid for my DIY kit. So much work ahead of me. 
Sit's fun work though, so not really work
FI've been picking at this project for 23 years...
Soh your have that f15 cockpit right? how are you going to integrate the motors? bellcranks on those shafts that come thru the floor?
FYeah, it's either going to be bellcranks or rack & pinion. The fact that the system can do multiple revolutions is what sold me on it.
Sit can, but you have to have it centered when you power it up
FThat could be problematic...
Swhat size motor did you get
FThe largest one listed.
Si'd suggest a 10:1 gearbox for it
Fwhat for?
Si assume the shaft coming thru the floor only makes a partial rotation right? so you'd want that sweep angle to do a full rotation on the motor
FThe pitch & roll controls have a very short throw to them - only a few inches either direction. Did you see the photo I posted of the current stick centering system I'm using?
Syep
FI suspect that I'll end up creating a good 3D model of the space and then work out what I can fit into it.
Shere's how mine is set up, just scale up for your application
S
Si gotta run for now, can chat later.
FInteresting! Yeah, ping me when you get back. Thanks.
FYes all fine, thanks a lot.
HSo, I just tried the default option, and it completely disables FFB for me
HI can hear the trim clicking in cockpit, but there's zero FFB and the stick goes slack once it's set for default
H(In the KA-50, mind you)
HActually, I take that back. Restarting DCS seems to have fixed that
HOkay, I can't see any functional difference between the default instant trim and stick with no springs/FFB at first glance
NDCS has been doing that from time to time lately. It just refuses to start FFB and requires a restart.
HThey both handle trim the exact same
Nagain.. you'll have to ask the developers what the difference is. All I know is that "instant"/"default"/"instant(ffb friendly)" works for all modules. "joystick without springs and ffb" seems to work on Mi24 and AH64, but does not work on MI-8 or UH-1 (don't have the Ka)
FIs there a way to run the Rhino with Windows XP Professional SP3? Currently I get the error message "VPForce is not a valid win32 application".
AAre the Winwing and VKB adaptors interchangable? ie can you order them both and change them at will?
WWhoa, that's ancient. The app is 64bit exe, so will not work on 32bit Windows.
FOK, I will run the app on my laptop with 64bit for setup the rhino. Can I run the Rhino "standalone" (without app) on WinXP/FS9 afterwards? (all settings of my Simpit are WinXP based and I am quite happy with the system)
