@_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recentering of the stick origi

@_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recentering of the stick origin require changing the settings up in the VP force program? Because by default I'm fairly sure that's not the behavior of the stick. Or maybe is that one of the effects of using the telemFFB program?

HHextopia @_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recenterin...

walmis•9/29/23, 12:07 PM

DCS changes the center point when you trim certain aircraft, namely F-14, F-5, russian jets, WWII warbirds and others. For helos when you press trim release and move the stick to a new position and release it, the stick will be spring centered in that new physical position

HHextopia @_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recenterin...

Number481•9/29/23, 12:07 PM

No on both accounts. It is part of the DCS FFB implementation. DCS tells the base what the new center is when you release the force trim

Number481•9/29/23, 12:12 PM

I have only been trying to explain why instant trim is the correct mode for FFB and why it behaves the way it does with standard sprung joysticks

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 12:37 PM

I think a better way to resolve my confusion is to just ask what the functional difference is between the instant trim and stick with no spring and FFB setting

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 12:38 PM

Because all of what you're describing is also the behavior of the no spring and FFB trim setting from what I've seen

Number481•9/29/23, 12:42 PM

Well you’ll have to ask Eagle dynamics and/or the module developers because my understanding is that the “no springs and FFB” option is for regular non FFB joysticks without springs that rely on friction clutches. And, in my experience, the option does not activate FFB in any way (and therefor does not work). At least in UH1

Number481•9/29/23, 12:44 PM

Best to try all options and pick the one that works best for you the way you want to fly helos.

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 12:47 PM

This is where my confusion comes in. I'll have to do some experimenting and report back on what the functional difference is

VPforceBot•9/29/23, 12:56 PM

:package:

RHINO #0207 Has Shipped!

MMustang 1-1 Okay. Go to your p3d file directory and go to the simobjects folder and copy the...

Fer•9/29/23, 1:54 PM

Ok I’ll sent to you in a moment.

Mustang 1-1•9/29/23, 1:55 PM

Okay

Mustang 1-1•9/29/23, 1:56 PM

I am currently gone and will be home at 5. It’s 9am for me so it’s gonna be about the day till I can do it.

Mustang 1-1•9/29/23, 1:56 PM

Hope that’s fine

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:00 PM

Just paid for my DIY kit. So much work ahead of me.

smitty•9/29/23, 2:03 PM

it's fun work though, so not really work

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:03 PM

I've been picking at this project for 23 years...

smitty•9/29/23, 2:04 PM

oh your have that f15 cockpit right? how are you going to integrate the motors? bellcranks on those shafts that come thru the floor?

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:07 PM

Yeah, it's either going to be bellcranks or rack & pinion. The fact that the system can do multiple revolutions is what sold me on it.

smitty•9/29/23, 2:08 PM

it can, but you have to have it centered when you power it up

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:08 PM

That could be problematic...

smitty•9/29/23, 2:08 PM

what size motor did you get

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:08 PM

The largest one listed.

smitty•9/29/23, 2:10 PM

i'd suggest a 10:1 gearbox for it

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:10 PM

what for?

smitty•9/29/23, 2:11 PM

i assume the shaft coming thru the floor only makes a partial rotation right? so you'd want that sweep angle to do a full rotation on the motor

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:12 PM

The pitch & roll controls have a very short throw to them - only a few inches either direction. Did you see the photo I posted of the current stick centering system I'm using?

smitty•9/29/23, 2:12 PM

yep

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:13 PM

I suspect that I'll end up creating a good 3D model of the space and then work out what I can fit into it.

smitty•9/29/23, 2:13 PM

here's how mine is set up, just scale up for your application

smitty•9/29/23, 2:14 PM

smitty•9/29/23, 2:14 PM

i gotta run for now, can chat later.

f15sim•9/29/23, 2:15 PM

Interesting! Yeah, ping me when you get back. Thanks.

MMustang 1-1 Hope that’s fine

Fer•9/29/23, 3:22 PM

Yes all fine, thanks a lot.

NNumber481 Best to try all options and pick the one that works best for you the way you wan...

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 9:00 PM

So, I just tried the default option, and it completely disables FFB for me

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 9:01 PM

I can hear the trim clicking in cockpit, but there's zero FFB and the stick goes slack once it's set for default

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 9:01 PM

(In the KA-50, mind you)

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 9:03 PM

Actually, I take that back. Restarting DCS seems to have fixed that

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 9:05 PM

Okay, I can't see any functional difference between the default instant trim and stick with no springs/FFB at first glance

Number481•9/29/23, 9:06 PM

DCS has been doing that from time to time lately. It just refuses to start FFB and requires a restart.

HextopiaOP•9/29/23, 9:06 PM

They both handle trim the exact same

Number481•9/29/23, 9:21 PM

again.. you'll have to ask the developers what the difference is. All I know is that "instant"/"default"/"instant(ffb friendly)" works for all modules. "joystick without springs and ffb" seems to work on Mi24 and AH64, but does not work on MI-8 or UH-1 (don't have the Ka)

fiddle11•9/30/23, 9:12 AM

Is there a way to run the Rhino with Windows XP Professional SP3? Currently I get the error message "VPForce is not a valid win32 application".

Aiva•9/30/23, 10:13 AM

Are the Winwing and VKB adaptors interchangable? ie can you order them both and change them at will?

AAiva Are the Winwing and VKB adaptors interchangable? ie can you order them both and ...

walmis•9/30/23, 10:25 AM

Yes

Ffiddle11 Is there a way to run the Rhino with Windows XP Professional SP3? Currently I ge...

walmis•9/30/23, 10:26 AM

Whoa, that's ancient. The app is 64bit exe, so will not work on 32bit Windows.

Wwalmis Whoa, that's ancient. The app is 64bit exe, so will not work on 32bit Windows.

fiddle11•9/30/23, 10:43 AM

OK, I will run the app on my laptop with 64bit for setup the rhino. Can I run the Rhino "standalone" (without app) on WinXP/FS9 afterwards? (all settings of my Simpit are WinXP based and I am quite happy with the system)

Ffiddle11 OK, I will run the app on my laptop with 64bit for setup the rhino. Can I run th...

walmis•9/30/23, 12:07 PM

Yeah, once you store the configuration the app is not required.

HHextopia They both handle trim the exact same

walmis•9/30/23, 3:00 PM

Can confirm, on the Ka50 it works identically

Ffiddle11 Is there a way to run the Rhino with Windows XP Professional SP3? Currently I ge...

Red Magic•10/1/23, 1:03 AM

a living and breathing fossil of a computer

Red Magic•10/1/23, 1:03 AM

did you consider donating that to a museum? Imagine the payout

@_gunzablazin I'm still confused by the discussion. Does this logical recentering of the stick origi

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