Pnovel length replies as just why I'm here- helps me understand some of the odd behaviour I see in sim- thanks for the effort 
EHey, thank you so much for the very detailed and valueable answer!
While i won't say that it still should be possible there might be some ways to still do it i think. A nice guy over at the HPG discord build his own FFB stick using stepper motors and hall sensors amd using FSUIPC and a own lua script to get it done.
The LVars are in fact retrievable using another python based library.
Maybe i misunderstand you here, but the trims in helicopters work different than in airliners for example. In helicopters the AP actually drives the stick to the physical position needed to attain a specific attitude. This is the exact same position you need to move the stick to when handflying to achieve the same attitude. So i don't see the double input problem here or am i missing something?
Thanks again for taking your time and the detailed explanation!
While i won't say that it still should be possible there might be some ways to still do it i think. A nice guy over at the HPG discord build his own FFB stick using stepper motors and hall sensors amd using FSUIPC and a own lua script to get it done.
The LVars are in fact retrievable using another python based library.
Maybe i misunderstand you here, but the trims in helicopters work different than in airliners for example. In helicopters the AP actually drives the stick to the physical position needed to attain a specific attitude. This is the exact same position you need to move the stick to when handflying to achieve the same attitude. So i don't see the double input problem here or am i missing something?
Thanks again for taking your time and the detailed explanation!
NI fully understand trim in helicopters vs fixed wing aircraft. My comment about trim was more generic in nature as an example of the fundamental issue. Helicopter force trim has further issues in MSFS as it barely even implements the concept (why would it since it doesn't support FFB).
There is a force-trim implementation in TelemFFB for MSFS but it does not interact with the simulator in any way. It is a hardware only implementation and is identical to the hardware trim you can set up in VPforce Configurator (except that it doesnt implement hat trim adjustments, only 'force trim button').
Regarding the autopilot following.. it would entirely depend on how the sim, or the aircraft, handles the joystick inputs while the autopilot is active. My guess is that since it expects a joystick to always be at 0/0 when it is idle (remember, it has no concept of FFB or axis offsets), any deviation from 0/0 would cause an AP disconnect. Perhaps not, but the only way to really know would be to implement the feature and that wold be an awful lot of work just to find out it doesn't work.
There is a force-trim implementation in TelemFFB for MSFS but it does not interact with the simulator in any way. It is a hardware only implementation and is identical to the hardware trim you can set up in VPforce Configurator (except that it doesnt implement hat trim adjustments, only 'force trim button').
Regarding the autopilot following.. it would entirely depend on how the sim, or the aircraft, handles the joystick inputs while the autopilot is active. My guess is that since it expects a joystick to always be at 0/0 when it is idle (remember, it has no concept of FFB or axis offsets), any deviation from 0/0 would cause an AP disconnect. Perhaps not, but the only way to really know would be to implement the feature and that wold be an awful lot of work just to find out it doesn't work.
EThanks again for the clarification.
I didn't want to sound like i doubt that you know how helicopters work. Just wanted to make sure we are talking about the same thing.
The helicopter i am talking about has a 'no springs' option which let you deflect your stick while using (internal) trim release and creates a new center where you release trim release. So that should be helpful.
But i have no doubts that it will still be very complicated to implement the autopilot logic.
I will play around a bit and have a chat with the coder of the helo. Until then i will enjoy the Rhino in it's current state.
So thanks again for your effort and the very helpful information.
I didn't want to sound like i doubt that you know how helicopters work. Just wanted to make sure we are talking about the same thing.
The helicopter i am talking about has a 'no springs' option which let you deflect your stick while using (internal) trim release and creates a new center where you release trim release. So that should be helpful.
But i have no doubts that it will still be very complicated to implement the autopilot logic.
I will play around a bit and have a chat with the coder of the helo. Until then i will enjoy the Rhino in it's current state.
So thanks again for your effort and the very helpful information.
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TWhile waiting for my Rhino to be built and arrive I am thinking of going into VR….
I am undecided between the Varjo Aero and the Bigscreen Beyond.
Which one would you recommend?
I am undecided between the Varjo Aero and the Bigscreen Beyond.
Which one would you recommend?
NDepends on if you value comfort or clarity. I am biased as I have the aero (since day 1) and have zero complaints about the comfort. Performance in "my sim" (DCS) is second to none with dynamic foveated rendering support. Its an absolute steal at the new price in my opinion.
NThe BSB form factor is compelling but I won't sacrifice any clarity
NYou do need top notch hardware though to be able to drive the Aero (or any headset for that matter) at the highest resolutions.
NHead over to the Varjo discord. You will find a ton of new users over there since the price drop sharing their impressions.
SBSB uses a 3d scan of your face to make the pad.. might make sharing to show a buddy or selling it in the future difficult. also it is stemvr only, there is no native openxr (unless mbucchia makes one like he did for pimax!)
BReverb G2.
SG2 is now old tech, plenty better available nowadays.
MSo I recalibrated my rhino to work better for the stick throw limiter I made, then the forces were off, so I clicked the reset button, but it factory reset it. I can’t figure it out now. Does anyone have a way to upload the settings just like it came out of the box? Thanks
MI have dug a deep hole and just need a factory preset if that’s possible
WThere's a file RHINO-defaults in the configurator
configs directory
AYou have to click store to have device remember your settings too
FLook for vr flight sim guy on yt, he has a few breakdowns on those 2 plus the pimax. Keep in mind the price decrease was recent so older vids will be taking the old price into account.
JWell the Varjo Aero just dropped in price to under $1k USD, and one website sells it for even less than that at like $890 USD https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1710414637135503417
As for BSB... it'll be some months before yours would ship out even if you ordered today.
As for BSB... it'll be some months before yours would ship out even if you ordered today.
JUploadVR
Most Bigscreen Beyond US preorders originally slated to ship in Q3 have slipped into Q4 as the startup experiences production delays.
AI think the BSB is kind of a bit like the Rhino in the regard that you might need something to keep you going until yours arrives
JAnother thing to consider is the software powering the device. Varjo software is, simply put, incredible. Top of the line high end software that would be far superior to anything BSB offers.
JThere's also a ton of pre-established tweaks and fixes and setting adjustment by the community to get as much performance as possible out of the Aero for flight sim
BAnd honestly don't really see it as that much of a competition for the varjo in general.
JThey are similar in 2 ways
1) they are similarly priced
2) they don't have built in audio solutions
1) they are similarly priced
2) they don't have built in audio solutions
Joh I guess 3, since both rely on Lighthouse 2.0 tracking
Aam I wrong in thinking that one of the strengths of the BSB is that you can easily use whatever headphones you'd normally use?
JNo, but you can do the same thing with the Aero
JThe primary appeal of the BSB is the small and light form factor
BBsb is premium video viewer at best, where the varjo with eyetracking etc is actually meant for simulation.
Adoesn't it have more involved straps that might make using headphones harder?
JHaving used an Aero I didn't have any issue with my headphones
Jused 2-3 different pairs with different types of headstraps/cup shapes
BI can even fit my regular corsair cans over my quest pro.
JAnd yeah the foveated rendering on the Aero is the bread and butter of performance
JAnd how they make the most out of the high res very clear lenses
JAnother thing to consider is PC hardware. Are you on at least a 3080 with a decent CPU? Also you need to be using Nvidia GPU for the Aero, not sure about BSB.
Aanyway I wouldn't buy BSB for myself, but I think it's fantastic that someone is already making a VR headset with such a small form factor
BIts even higher res, without the option for dfr, 4090 or dont bother.
FWait, you mean static or eye tracked
JThe amount of variety in headset shape, design philosophy, and features available on the market right now is great for the industry as a whole.
FAlso i am not 100% sure but i remember the aero had more ppd in the center than the edges, correct?
AI think you might be referring to the pro version
Ait has two separate screens, one for the center
AI don't think the aero does anything like that
FI think i remember 35ppd in center and like 20 on edge
FBut that might be lens warping
FPlus that was something from a while ago
Aat least with pimax the lens warping actually compresses the center, which is not ideal