do someone has issues with Rotary Wings in DCS? I have encountered an issue where in game the cyclic

do someone has issues with Rotary Wings in DCS?
I have encountered an issue where in game the cyclic returns to center as I touch the physical stick after having used the force trim (in game force trim, and FFB stick trim mode selected)

VirusOP•10/17/23, 8:46 PM

The Rhino, stays where I put it, but the in-game sticks return to center.
I have double and triple checked that I have no other bindings (to roll/pitch axis) and that the correct trim mode option is selected

VVirus The Rhino, stays where I put it, but the in-game sticks return to center. I hav...

JIGGAwest•10/17/23, 10:01 PM

Which aircraft? And what trim mode do you have set in DCS for that module?

VirusOP•10/18/23, 4:51 AM

I tried apache and Huey..
The trim mode is the Ffb one (I already wrote it above)

Vakarian•10/18/23, 6:42 AM

I know it's probably obvious question, but did you enable FFB in the MISC tab? For FFB to work you need to assign correct axes in the controls, in Special settting set correct trim option, but there's also "global" FFB setting in one of the other tabs in the options (I really think it's the MISC one) where you also need to check that box.

Vakarian•10/18/23, 6:43 AM

I mean, I've tried Huey, Apache, Mi-8, force trim works as intended, so there must be that one annoying thing that you missed

VVirus do someone has issues with Rotary Wings in DCS? I have encountered an issue wher...

walmis•10/18/23, 7:11 AM

could another device be bound to the X and Y axes in DCS?

VVakarian I know it's probably obvious question, but did you enable FFB in the MISC tab? F...

VirusOP•10/18/23, 7:49 AM

I described everything...I am one of the first Rhino's owners...I know. I triple checked everything

Wwalmis could another device be bound to the X and Y axes in DCS?

VirusOP•10/18/23, 7:50 AM

I removed everything....even VR controllers' bindings

VVirus The Rhino, stays where I put it, but the in-game sticks return to center. I hav...

Volk•10/18/23, 7:51 AM

are you perhaps hitting/triggering "Trim Reset" in DCS?

VirusOP•10/18/23, 7:52 AM

No...also if you read what I wrote....only the in game stick returns to the center...the Rhino stays where I put it.
If I press trim reset, the rhino returns to center physically

walmis•10/18/23, 7:58 AM

and to confirm the blue dot in the VP configurator shows in the trimmed position?

Volk•10/18/23, 9:55 AM

If I'm reading this correctly, the X center is 1600. Is that problematic? With everything reset to factory before running calibration, the left direction only gets about 2/3 of the way on the VPForce Configurator indicator when I hit the limits of the base

Volk•10/18/23, 9:55 AM

and what does Force Comp do?

Volk•10/18/23, 9:57 AM

ps physically whether deflected left or right fully, the VKB adaptor (i.e. just checking the tip of the Rhino before my grip starts) extends just past the lip of the base - i.e. it's not like the base itself is skew/limited more in one direction

Volk•10/18/23, 9:57 AM

just the software seems to think it has less range to the left I guess?

VVolk ps physically whether deflected left or right fully, the VKB adaptor (i.e. just ...

walmis•10/18/23, 10:28 AM

Maybe the leather bunches up? You should feel a solid bump at the edge.
The calibration looks fine.
Hover the force comp field and an explanation should pop up.

Volk•10/18/23, 10:31 AM

Yeah, it's not the leather - I do feel the bump. Just the C: 1675 and raw_x value being in the 1600s I thought that might be bad, given it recommends a center around 2048

Volk•10/18/23, 10:32 AM

I did see the popup for Force Comp, thanks - just I don't understand it.

walmis•10/18/23, 10:34 AM

When under force there is some flex in the system, gimbal, belts etc. And you will find that you might not be able to reach the logical axis limits .

walmis•10/18/23, 10:34 AM

This is because the motors are axis sensors

Volk•10/18/23, 10:35 AM

So crank it up to 190 and 100 respectively, or is it something to be tuned/tested?

walmis•10/18/23, 10:35 AM

190, 100 works well for Rhino

walmis•10/18/23, 10:35 AM

But you can play around and see how it works if interested

VVirus No...also if you read what I wrote....only the in game stick returns to the cent...

Hextopia•10/18/23, 1:16 PM

Do you possibly have a second stick bound to the pitch/roll axes?

Hextopia•10/18/23, 1:17 PM

Oh, just saw your other post saying you checked that

Hextopia•10/18/23, 1:17 PM

Last thing I'd try is wiping your saved games folder and rebuilding it

Hextopia•10/18/23, 1:17 PM

One way to do that would be moving the entire folder somewhere else, launching DCS and letting it rebuild it, and seeing if that fixes the issue

Hextopia•10/18/23, 1:18 PM

If it does, try moving things back in sections to see what causes the issue to reappear

Wwalmis and to confirm the blue dot in the VP configurator shows in the trimmed position...

VirusOP•10/18/23, 1:19 PM

Yes it does

VirusOP•10/18/23, 1:19 PM

No, double and triple checked...no other devices bound to x/y axis

Mr. S•10/19/23, 4:24 AM

I've had a weird issue in the last couple of days. I have a VIRPIL TCS rotor base and hawk 60 grip, A VIRPIL CM2 throttle, and verbal t50 CM2 grip attached to the rhino. Everything has been working okay for a couple of weeks. Now it has been 2 or 3 days that when I connect the rhino to the powered USB hub I use for all those peripherals, the VIRPIL collective disconnects for some reason. I have changed the powered USB hub with a new one but it still happens.
The hub is a USB 3.0 connected to a 3.2 USB port on the motherboard so it shouldn't be a USB bandwidth problem. Any idea what I could check to troubleshoot this?

MMr. S I've had a weird issue in the last couple of days. I have a VIRPIL TCS rotor bas...

ddrake1984•10/19/23, 7:12 AM

Disconnects and reconnects?

Dddrake1984 Disconnects and reconnects?

Mr. S•10/19/23, 7:51 AM

the TCS rotor? no it just disappears. I get this behavior consistently from the TCS rotor, not so consistently (at least not that I'm aware of, or I didn't pay enough attention to that. More testing would be needed I guess) from the throttle...
I mean the TCS rotor disappears as long as the Rhino is plugged in. If I unplug the Rhino it comes back.

MMr. S the TCS rotor? no it just disappears. I get this behavior consistently from the ...

walmis•10/19/23, 8:32 AM

It disappears from game devices or from device manager ?

walmis•10/19/23, 8:33 AM

try the USB tree view program to debug USB issues: https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html

Wwalmis try the USB tree view program to debug USB issues: https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usb...

Mr. S•10/19/23, 9:03 AM

Yeah I have monitored it with that, USBLogview and USBDeview... it disappears from both, device manager AND game devices

Mr. S•10/19/23, 9:04 AM

no idea why. Maybe the collective is acting up IDK. I could see the current draw (from USBTreeview) is in line with the throttle (500ma) while the Rhino only draws 200ma (ofc, as that is powered by its brick...)

walmis•10/19/23, 9:10 AM

I'd try booting up Linux live USB such as Ubuntu and see in the kernel logs dmesgdmesg of any hardware weirdness.

Wwalmis I'd try booting up Linux live USB such as Ubuntu and see in the kernel logs `dme...

Mr. S•10/19/23, 10:01 AM

hm. I can sure try and do that in time. If you have any other suggestion I'm open.

walmis•10/19/23, 10:21 AM

I assume you tried different motherboard USB sockets or plugging everything directly to the motherboard

Wwalmis I assume you tried different motherboard USB sockets or plugging everything dire...

Mr. S•10/19/23, 4:11 PM

I did change to EVERY damn port on the M/B.

Turns out it was the USB hub power brick. It's powered by a USB-C so i was using a phone charger that happened to be JUST sufficient. It was flimsy enough that it would eventually give up and stop sending 5V reliably, causing the whole issue. A different power source seems to have solved all issues.
To restate: the Rhino was definitely NOT the cause.
Thanks for taking the time to interact, @walmis. 10/10 would buy a second Rhino. (it's a joke...)

Mr. S•10/19/23, 4:12 PM

I mean the buy part. I meant the 10/10

VVirus Yes it does

VirusOP•10/19/23, 5:10 PM

coult it be something in telem ffb?

VVirus coult it be something in telem ffb?

Number481•10/19/23, 5:11 PM

unlikely, TelemFFB only sends axis information to DCS in a couple very rare instances (trim following for the Harrier and one or 2 other modules).. but it would be pretty easy to find out

VirusOP•10/19/23, 5:12 PM

I don't understand what is happening....last time I tried the apache, it was working flawlessly

VirusOP•10/19/23, 5:12 PM

now I have this strange reset issue.

MMr. S I did change to EVERY damn port on the M/B. Turns out it was the USB hub power...

Hextopia•10/19/23, 5:34 PM

A good rule of thumb is to always ensure the power supply you grab out of the random electronics box in the closet meets or exceeds the wattage required by the thing you're about to plug it into to prevent problems.

I had a similar issue a while back with a wireless router acting strange and it wound up being an underpowered power supply

VVirus I don't understand what is happening....last time I tried the apache, it was wor...

Number481•10/19/23, 5:38 PM

without any real valuable advice to give.. I would say remove any mods you may have installed and do a slow DCS repair (if you've not already done that)

VVirus now I have this strange reset issue.

Hextopia•10/19/23, 6:56 PM

Did you try cleaning out your saved games folder yet?

Hextopia•10/19/23, 6:56 PM

The other good choice is the slow repair or a complete module reinstall

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