Vthis one is uploaded from PC
WHmm, i'm not following. So you set the trim at the edge and it slowly returns to center by itself?
VIt is difficult to show
VBut the problem is that the physical stick is trimmed...as I touch it, the in game ones resets.
VLook at the start of the video...I have the stick trimmed to the right....the in games one resets to center (without me pressing reset trim). But the physical one stays there
VAlso the in game one wobbles (like there was other conflicting inputs) but the physical stick doesn't move at all
VLook at 00:23 the in game stick is centered. The physical one is trimmed to the left
VAnd you can see also the wobble some seconds later
VI got it
VIt's break out force setting in VPforce software
WAhh, yeah it's a bit broken atm
Wworks only without trim
VYeah....my troubleshooting skills noticed that 
VI thought about it, because I noticed a small delay when moving the stick
Phi,@walmis, to add to issue @virusam is reporting:
- vpforce hw trim gets reset on P47 / Mossie when the aircraft reaches around ~110-120mph airspeed on landing, essentially making landing on hw trim a pretty dangerous affair
I'm not sure if you're aware of this issue, or seen anyone reporting it..
WYou mean hw trim with override?
Pyup, that one..
Pwhen it overrides the spring center in the AC, for some reason it resets to DCS's spring center at slow speed..
Pyou can feel the stick forcefully move in your hand...
WI'll check, maybe DCS resets it somehow
PI appreciate it, @walmis ! thank you, sir.
VI solved it @peachmonkey it was breakout force for me
Pgotcha, i'm not using the breakout force, so it's a different issue it seems..
SSo I need to check Force Trim in the VP configuration Tool to be able to FFB Trim Helis in DCS right?
NIn DCS? No.
DCS implements FFB (and force trim) natively. Some helicopters (like the Mi-24) also have hat-trimmers.. that all works without any special config in vpconf.
DCS implements FFB (and force trim) natively. Some helicopters (like the Mi-24) also have hat-trimmers.. that all works without any special config in vpconf.
PDCS units come with Trim function on FFB axis and if it works then everything is OK.
However, on some units (ww2 planes, some jets) if you use the trim on FFB axis it also moves the FFB center which messes everything up. For these cases it's better to use a "HW trim + override" in VPforce app (instead of in-game trim), that way FFB center stays where its supposed to be.
However, on some units (ww2 planes, some jets) if you use the trim on FFB axis it also moves the FFB center which messes everything up. For these cases it's better to use a "HW trim + override" in VPforce app (instead of in-game trim), that way FFB center stays where its supposed to be.
SDo I need to do something special for the Huey? I managed to Hold Trim in the Apache but somehow cant trim in the Huey
NJust gotta make sure you have the right trimmer mode selected in the special options. For the Huey I think you want “default” (check the #VPforce Rhino WIP Manual 
… there’s screenshots of the various DCS heli settings in there). Not in front of my pc atm.
… there’s screenshots of the various DCS heli settings in there). Not in front of my pc atm.SOkay will do - thanks a lot - that was wrong - I've set it to FFB mode
NYa.. the “without springs and FFB” option is poor English that seems to be interpreted differently by different developers.
SThe Hind is not in the Manual?!
NALL heli modules work with with either default or instant settings. SOME helis also work with the “without springs and FFB” option.
SInteresting. Can you give some examples which modules do this? (the cases in which it’s better to use “HW trim + override”
Pi fly ww2, so try p47 and mosquito
MHi Walmis, a couple of weeks back (13th Oct) , you kindly gave me some settings to try to offset the weight of the TM metal grip I was using and to stop the oscillations. They worked great, BUT.......I have decided not to use the grip after a week or so, as I basically need one with more buttons, so swapped in a Virpil Alpha I have. Now, I need to un do those or adjust them to suit the lighter grip. I am going to save a profile for future possible use etc of your settings for the heavy grip. What would you adjust on your advised settings & by how much ( and why if you can explain, as its good to understand what I am doing rather than just blindly do it) to suit the lighter grip? Many thanks for your continued amazing support and customer service.......
PYeah I have a lighter grip also & had some instability that got the x axis motor to self protect, so I'd be kneen to know what to change & why.
HDoes anyone have an idea of what approximate settings need to be used for the 'balance spring' force to balance out a given grip weight on a given extension length?
HOr is it just the 'TFAR' method?
N'try it and find out' is probably a good approach... but I'll just say that the "adaptive recentering" does a fine job by itself with my Alpha Prime grip sitting on a virpil z extension.
HIt did alright with a 100mm extension, now that I'm running a 32cm extension at anything beyond about ~50% of the axis in any direction it's drooping enough that it's screwing up autopilot in multiple aircraft
HSo some extra centering force is going to be needed
HIt also tends to oscillate sometimes, so some tweaks to friction are needed
WMy approach to find the values to balance spring is to disable the regular spring, so the stick is limp. Then increase the balance spring values in each direction and check if stick wants to fall when released at an angle. Once it roughly stays in place where you put it, then you're good to go.
HUsing that method, looks like I need about ~25% for balance spring to counteract most of the droop, which might explain why adaptive recenter wasn't quite cutting it
WYeah, once you apply some balance spring, the adaptive recentering will have more authority and will not saturate as before.
HI'm still running into an issue with oscillation in the X axis that tweaking the damper/friction forces isn't making a dent in
HReducing the spring gain map for the X axis can fix it, but I'm worried that will affect the droop issue in that axis
WCan you show your settings?
HI will when I get some time back at my computer. I'm going to test the settings I have right now and see how it performs, since I reduced the max gain in the X to eliminate the oscillation
Aso i've noticed kind of an interesting issue, that i think my be a software thing, where the spring forces can seem to apply inconsistent force as you move towards the extremities of the movement. it's a bit subtle, but it does show up in my virpl graphs:
