# MSFS Please read the full documentation in the VPForce Manual ** https://docs.google.com/doc

MSFS

Please read the full documentation in the VPForce Manual
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YL5DLkiTxlaNx_zKHEYSs25PjmGtQ6_WZDk58_SGt8Y

New option to send joystick/pedal axis position to MSFS via simconnect. Requires un-binding axes from MSFS
- telemffb_controls_axes - Master control for simconnect axis sending (true/false)
  - joystick_x_axis_scale - Scale joystick x axis output (0-%100)
  - joystick_y_axis_scale - Scale joystick y axis output (0-%100)
  - rudder_x_axis_scale - Scale pedal axis output (0-%100)
New trim and AP following functionality for fixed wing aircraft. REQUIRES `telemffb_controls_axes = True`
- trim_following = True - Master control for trim/ap following (true/false)
  - ap_following - Enable/disable ap following (only disables aileron/rudder) (true/false)
  - invert_ap_x_axis - Invert the x axis AP follow behavior (req'd for some AC like the default C172)
  - joystick_trim_follow_gain_physical_x - Physical stick x axis movement as a percentage of the trim value (0-100%)
  - joystick_trim_follow_gain_physical_y - Physical stick y axis movement as a percentage of the trim value (0-100%)
  - joystick_trim_follow_gain_virtual_x - Virtual stick x axis movement as a percentage of the physical stick movement (0-100%)
  - joystick_trim_follow_gain_virtual_y - Virtual stick y axis movement as a percentage of the physical stick movement (0-100%)
  - rudder_trim_follow_gain_physical_x - Physical pedal x axis movement as a percentage of the trim value (0-100%)
  - rudder_trim_follow_gain_virtual_x - Virtual pedal x axis movement as a percentage of the physical pedal movement (0-100%)

amadeus•10/20/23, 2:24 AM

damn girl, u busy

NNumber481 New TelemFFB update for MSFS bringing the often asked about **trim and autopilot...

exil35•10/20/23, 8:00 AM

Wow! That is just awesome! Thanks for all your hard work!

VPforceBot•10/20/23, 9:35 AM

RHINO #0228 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•10/20/23, 9:35 AM

RHINO #0227 Has Shipped!

Bob Bushman•10/20/23, 10:55 AM

"one hundred ninety sevent rhino's on the wall, pass it around wiggle it down.
one hundred ninety six rhino's on the wall."

Toge•10/20/23, 11:49 AM

308 to go, any day now...

NNumber481 New TelemFFB update for MSFS bringing the often asked about **trim and autopilot...

blave549•10/20/23, 4:01 PM

I think I ran into this just yesterday. I have a new VKB FSM-GA autopilot module that I was configuring, and the AP in MSFS kept kicking off b/c I had some hardware trim applied. Is that what this fixes?

Bblave549 I think I ran into this just yesterday. I have a new VKB FSM-GA autopilot module...

Number481OP•10/20/23, 4:08 PM

It doesn't 'fix' anything, per se.. but it does allow you to control how much virtual stick movement occurs as a result of the physical stick movement. During testing, @smitty981 said he had previously had an trim issue with the AP in the Comanche that he was able to solve with the this trim following implementation.

Bblave549 I think I ran into this just yesterday. I have a new VKB FSM-GA autopilot module...

smitty•10/20/23, 4:21 PM

yep i have a hardware trim axis made with a somewhat noisy potentiometer, so in the control sensitivity i had a deazone in the middle. even before vpforce if i left the trim wheel out of the deadzone with AP on, the noise would send a new value and make AP twitch a bit. so i turn on AP and slowly rotate it back to the deadzone. if you use the trim up down buttons or an encoder-based trim wheel it's not an issue.

Number481OP•10/20/23, 5:45 PM

The big difference here compared to hardware trim is that hardware trim has no insight into the state of the aircraft. You set the trim, which just moves the stick spring center offset, which moves the axis by an equal amount. Whether you later engage AP or not, HW trim does not know and the stick offset will remain until you change or reset it.

With this new TelemFFB implementation, the trim movement of the stick is actually following the trim values as read from the sim (so you'll want to have your trim hats bound in the sim). The gain settings affect how much the physical stick moves in response to the trim value changing, and how much the virtual stick moves in response to the physical stick movement.

When you switch AP on, the elevator axis continues to follow the trim reading from the sim (since thats what APs use to adjust pitch). The aileron/rudder following reads the actual control surface deflection to determine how much to move the physical stick.

GeezAlbert•10/20/23, 10:29 PM

does anybody own a virpil collective chair mount? im curious to know ho high the spacers are

Number481OP•10/20/23, 11:04 PM

I'm not familiar with the mount (don't have one), but I am familiar with trying to get dimensions for virpil products. Have you looked at the thread on their forums where they post a lot of additional drawings and dimensions that aren't on the product page? It's on the russian side of the forums (so you may need a translator plugin for your browser)

Jon (Bounty_V)•10/20/23, 11:14 PM

there's also the r/hotas discord server with a dedicated virpil channel

Number481OP•10/20/23, 11:14 PM

Not sure if this has what you're looking for..
https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/650-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8B-%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2-virpil-controls/&do=findComment&comment=27406

NNumber481 The big difference here compared to hardware trim is that hardware trim has no i...

blave549•10/20/23, 11:30 PM

Thank you for that detailed 'splainin'. Question: why is the trim hat functionality (U/D/L/R, that can be done in the configurator's HW Force Trim setup) not implemented in TelemFFB? I use it all of the time for things like the MD500E and MD530F, but it would be nice to switch it off for other aircraft. Is it some kind of technical issue?

Bblave549 Thank you for that detailed 'splainin'. Question: why is the trim hat functiona...

Number481OP•10/20/23, 11:46 PM

Well…largely, I guess, because I or someone else hasn’t implemented it yet

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Technically, I don’t see any issues, but I haven’t thought it all the way through.
When I did the force trim implementation in TelemFFB, that was for the exact reason you state. I didn’t want to have to switch force trim and sticky spring on and off in vpconf when switching between helis and fixed wing.

Bblave549 Thank you for that detailed 'splainin'. Question: why is the trim hat functiona...

Number481OP•10/20/23, 11:50 PM

Follow up question: FFB not withstanding, Do those helis respond to the trim inputs in Msfs?

Number481OP•10/20/23, 11:51 PM

I really need to increase my MSFS helicopter portfolio, but I really don’t want to buy a bunch of aircraft I’ll probably rarely/never fly.

NNumber481 Follow up question: FFB not withstanding, Do those helis respond to the trim in...

blave549•10/20/23, 11:58 PM

I don't know. All I know is that with Hardware Trim turned on, the MD500E (and the Cabri G2) respond as I would expect given my S300 and short MD500 RL experience, over a decade ago. I think that if you get it right for the G2, the other similarly equipped helis will follow along. (AFAIK all three of those have cyclic-mounted trim hats.)

I have the 500E and 530F payware helis. They are quite similar, and are both are loads of fun to fly. Much twitchier than the 407 or G2, but therefore more fun to do "canyon carving" in. And, beyond the extremely lame omission of turbine fuel control axis bindings in MSFS (you have to use the mouse), they start up/shut down just as I would expect. But it irritates the s888 out of me that I can't use my Virpil twist fuel control to manage startup, in either of the 5xx helis, or any other turbine heli.

Number481OP•10/21/23, 12:04 AM

I’ll study the helicopter trim simvar data a little and see if it might be possible to do what I just did for fixed wing trim (as opposed to blind hardware trim..which would be a fallback option if the sim based trim trim doesn’t work)

Bblave549 I don't know. All I know is that with Hardware Trim turned on, the MD500E (and t...

Number481OP•10/21/23, 2:40 AM

BTW, regardless of what does or doesn't get added to TelemFFB.. you can already set a custom vpconf profile per aircraft in the TelemFFB config if you want. So you could have a profile with the hardware trim hat enabled and assign that to your helicopters. Have one without hardware trim hat and apply it at the root MSFS level

Stryker990•10/21/23, 6:40 AM

Hm 500 to go meanwhile im still waiting for the email to get the winwing f15ex grip from the EU store makes me honestly wonder which will arrive first the rhino or the stroke eagle grip

NNumber481 Not sure if this has what you're looking for.. https://forum.virpil.com/index.ph...

GeezAlbert•10/21/23, 9:53 AM

No but thanks!:)

NNumber481 I'm not familiar with the mount (don't have one), but I am familiar with trying ...

GeezAlbert•10/21/23, 9:53 AM

Didnt check out virpils forum thanks

Snubblaren•10/21/23, 10:12 AM

How many are in the que to get one now?

GeezAlbert•10/21/23, 10:14 AM

Like 500

SSnubblaren How many are in the que to get one now? 🫣

Stryker990•10/21/23, 1:19 PM

yes

Bblave549 I don't know. All I know is that with Hardware Trim turned on, the MD500E (and t...

smitty•10/21/23, 2:16 PM

try

[MSFS2020.Helicopter]
    joystick_x_axis_scale = 85%
    joystick_y_axis_scale = 85%

[MSFS2020.Helicopter]
    joystick_x_axis_scale = 85%
    joystick_y_axis_scale = 85%

or an even less percentage for twitchy helis, you can affect all of them like this or do it per heli:

[500E.*]
    joystick_x_axis_scale = 75%
    joystick_y_axis_scale = 75%

[500E.*]
    joystick_x_axis_scale = 75%
    joystick_y_axis_scale = 75%

NNumber481 BTW, regardless of what does or doesn't get added to TelemFFB.. you *can* alrea...

blave549•10/21/23, 3:56 PM

I did not know that was possible. Thanks!

Bblave549 I did not know that was possible. Thanks!

Number481OP•10/21/23, 4:12 PM

yeap.. that feature is all walmis...

Just create and export your vpconf profiles (I export them into the configs folder inside the VPforce Configurator folder)..

Then in your TelemFFB user.ini file, you can say, for example...

[MSFS2020]
type=Aircraft                            
vpconf='./configs/default.vpconf'

[MSFS2020]
type=Aircraft                            
vpconf='./configs/default.vpconf'

That will load the default profile for any aircraft that you load into...

Then you could say...

[MSFS2020.Helicopter]
vpconf='./configs/helicopter.vpconf'

[MSFS2020.Helicopter]
vpconf='./configs/helicopter.vpconf'

to load a profile for all helicopters, or you could say...

[DA62.*]
type=PropellerAircraft
vpconf='./configs/da62.vpconf'

[DA62.*]
type=PropellerAircraft
vpconf='./configs/da62.vpconf'

To load a specific profile for a specific aircraft

Number481OP•10/21/23, 4:13 PM

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You'll hear your Rhino beep indicating that the profile was loaded (if you don't have the beep disabled)

audax•10/21/23, 4:41 PM

I've just requested a status update from the bot and I've used the same email address that worked before, the one I've made the order with.
Today the bot answers that my mail was not found

Bob Bushman•10/21/23, 4:46 PM

Minor typo?

audax•10/21/23, 4:50 PM

Nope, I copy & pasted the text from an earlier message to the bot.

audax•10/21/23, 4:52 PM

Ohh. I found the problem. Walmis correct my mail a while ago and it didn't stick. Now I am in the queue with the incorrect mail address. I write him again

NNumber481 # MSFS ** Please read the full documentation in the VPForce Manual ** ** https:/...

Virus•10/22/23, 9:39 AM

Thanks....I have read the manual......Do I need to add the new settingfs to the config.user.ini, or it is safe to enable directly into the config?

smitty•10/22/23, 12:57 PM

Best to do your settings in the user.ini so that they don’t get lost when a new version has an updated config.ini

NNumber481 yeap.. that feature is all walmis... Just create and export your vpconf profil...

blave549•10/22/23, 3:05 PM

Thank you for the detailed instructions!!!

Jehly•10/22/23, 4:52 PM

I've got a total of about 4 USB powered hubs. I'm considering using a single power supply for all of them. Would you guys trust a single power supply for all the usb devices? I'm extremely hesitant.

JJehly I've got a total of about 4 USB powered hubs. I'm considering using a single po...

TonyM•10/22/23, 5:05 PM

How many devices do you have? Are they USB 2.0 or 3.0 etc…? Do you know how much mA they need?

TonyM•10/22/23, 5:05 PM

(for example a USB 2.0 port gives max 500mA)

TonyM•10/22/23, 5:07 PM

Also if your replace your 4 USB powered hubs with one, all your devices will be connected to only one USB port on your PC. Which might create a problem depending on the number and more important the type of USB devices that you have.

TonyM•10/22/23, 5:08 PM

I have however a USB 2.0 powered hub with 16 devices which works fine.

TTonyM How many devices do you have? Are they USB 2.0 or 3.0 etc…? Do you know how much...

Jehly•10/22/23, 5:36 PM

2 are 90W and 2 are 12W

Spatz•10/22/23, 7:51 PM

Hello does anyone here have a profile for the Rhino mimicking the real F-16 stick with minimal movement? Is it possible to replicate it with the Rhino?

Bob Bushman•10/22/23, 7:52 PM

No, it measures travel, the f16 stick measures force.

Spatz•10/22/23, 7:55 PM

Oh sad I thought it could be possible if you make the stick very stiff and read very sensitive movement

Bob Bushman•10/22/23, 7:58 PM

Technically possible, but at that point you basically use it as a set of buttons with no control on strength.

Force sensing sticks is probably the only thing the rhino can't emulate.

SSpatz Hello does anyone here have a profile for the Rhino mimicking the real F-16 stic...

walmis•10/22/23, 8:01 PM

It's somewhat possible, but it's hard to tune it to be stable and stiff at the same time

ddrake1984•10/22/23, 8:57 PM

Wouldnt have thought the resolution was going to be good enough

# MSFS ** Please read the full documentation in the VPForce Manual ** ** https://docs.google.com/doc

MSFS

# MSFS Please read the full documentation in the VPForce Manual ** https://docs.google.com/doc