about a week for me. ordered 10/24, arrived today (usa)
about a week for me. ordered 10/24, arrived today (usa)
WHey guys, presenting you my very compact design of the MFG pedals FFB conversion kit prototype!
My goal was to realize it with as few parts and as few modifications to the pedals as possible, and I think I've managed to achieve this goal.
Thanks to @William Oakes for his model of the MFG pedals to build on!
My goal was to realize it with as few parts and as few modifications to the pedals as possible, and I think I've managed to achieve this goal.
- It's built from two main 3D printed parts: the 71T gear (which attaches to existing holes where the cam sits) and the "tower" which holds the 86BLF motor with electronics and wiring inside.
- HTD5M 400 belt
- Gear ratio is 71T/15T (1:4.7), will experiment with a 14T pulley too, should achieve 1:5.
- It completely bypasses the MFG electronics and toe brakes connect directly to the VPforce FFB board.
- Only 4 3.5mm holes for self tapping screws need to be drilled into the MFG pedals base to hold the "tower"
Thanks to @William Oakes for his model of the MFG pedals to build on!
JLooking pretty cool!
NAs an MFG pedals user, thank you!
JDefinitely something I want to look into when I upgrade to MFGs
GWell that settles which pedals I will buy 
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...NGuess it’s time to place another order… 
JI'll hopefully be using my CH Pro Pedals for quite a while, getting to a finished initial setup using the Rhino has already been such a big investment, I want to hold off on other big upgrades for a while.
PNice. When can we buy it?
VThis is a very welcome update, thanks a lot Walmis for doing this work
ADibs
Jawesome, I’ll definitely be adding this to my crosswinds!
BDamn, now I’m sad I sold of my Crosswinds for slaw pedals
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WToe brakes are also fully functioning
ASo sick! Looks like the configurator app might need some tweaks to handle multiple simultaneous devices? Or does it already handle that and you only have 1 connected?
WIt prompts which device to connect to on startup 
AWe need more tabs walmis, more tabs to manage them at the same time 
FAfaik, dcs doesn't have much, if any rudder ffb effects right?
AThe Apache might
A(I only say that because under the special aircraft settings they have an option for pedals that says FFB friendly)
WTelemFFB will get more pedal action
AHave you thought about adding force feedback to the toe brake axis? 
BI'd personally like to see forcefeedback on a throttle more.
VI for one don't really care for FFB effects on the pedals (won't mind them ofc). Main reason I'll be getting one is the ability to quickly switch between flying rotaries and fixed wing. On FW, I do need that centering force, but on rotaries that's not needed, so instead of having to hook the spring on/off and playing with the damper, with this kit it's few mouse clicks away, same as with the Rhino
Nits about time! 
I've done what I can in MSFS and have tried a couple times with DCS but can't get it right..
The new AFCS implementation for the Airbus helicopters will get pedal support eventually, too
I've done what I can in MSFS and have tried a couple times with DCS but can't get it right..The new AFCS implementation for the Airbus helicopters will get pedal support eventually, too
FSighs in Thrustmaster TPR
Iwould the pedal mod need a separate power source from the joystick?
WYes, indeed
Iwould it be impossible to get a power source which would deliver power to both? I mean I don't know if there's some technical reason why this couldn't work
WThe PSU that's included with the Rhino would be too weak to handle both stick and pedals at deflection and most likely would shutdown during max load. A 350W supply would handle both no problem.
AI'm essentially full of questions, but I'd like to know at least
1) where does the data come from (telemFFB?) and do we have what we need to simulate for example aerodynamic forces
2) what kind of power and endurance are expected, even though my upper body is quite impressive, my legs are far more powerful. Can the system handle for example a 109 on a long sortie?
3) which versions of MFG are supported?
4) If you hypothetically imagine someone who is essentially incapable of sentient thought and has a bunch of limp dicks for fingers, would he be able to put the thing together?
1) where does the data come from (telemFFB?) and do we have what we need to simulate for example aerodynamic forces
2) what kind of power and endurance are expected, even though my upper body is quite impressive, my legs are far more powerful. Can the system handle for example a 109 on a long sortie?
3) which versions of MFG are supported?
4) If you hypothetically imagine someone who is essentially incapable of sentient thought and has a bunch of limp dicks for fingers, would he be able to put the thing together?
Aalso is there any form of co-operation going on, is it for example going to be possible to possibly order a compatible set of MFGs ready made in the future?
Awhen will the 6dof motion platform be released
DSame here
BPerhaps Wallis could sell kits directly to Milan for possibly a complete solution to end users 
Sone more thing bolt to the ground!!
Swould be too much overkill to have brakes FFB? to simulate loss of brake power and antiskid sim
MThat would require 2 additional motors to be installed in to the setup
SI know.. way too much overkill!!!
Aif it's worth doing it's worth overdoing
DDoesn’t the hind have ffb effects?
DAlso please please please consider ffb for other pedals @walmis
NFor pedals? No... The only FFB effects for pedals in DCS are the ones that have been added to TelemFFB.. and today that is limited to all of the haptic effects (rumbles) and auto-switching between sprung for FW and un-sprung for Helo
NDCS only understands 2 axes for FFB.. and if you aren't running TelemFFB and you don't 'sticky' your spring on your pedals.. the aileron trim will actually trim your pedal axis too (as will the re-centering of force-trim in a helicopter)
DThe pedals from memory in the hind auto move based on the autopilot settings and also when you increase/decrease collective etc, but I guess the visual and dynamic effects arent translated to FFB? Seems it should be easy if its just gathering the pedals position from the sim
DI refer to this article about pedal ffb also https://forum.dcs.world/topic/316879-pedals-trimmer-mode-no-setting-for-pedals-without-spring-or-ffb/
ED Forums
I've been working with flying the Hind for a while now, and I got pretty good at flying it back when the pedals logic could be set to pedals without springs and FFB as I typically fly helicopters with my MFG xwinds with the spring off and the damper turned up. With the new microswitch logic set i...
NI think the common misconception is what is meant by "Without Springs and FFB".. some people seem to think it means "Does not have springs and has FFB".. but I think it is just poor English and actually means "Does not have springs or FFB".
That said, I can tell you that DCS does not understand what FFB pedals are. I never knew for sure if it was because we have to use the X axis for the DIY pedals or not, but I saw a recent post in the HOTAS discord from a brunner user who said the exact thing I am telling you.
ED Can't even seem to get the 'microswitch' logic to work right for the in-game auto-trimming pedals on the MI24.. It might be difficult to even do it artificially outside of DCS (in TelemFFB) unless you had some sort of foot switch that knew when your feet were on the pedals (as it is in the real helicopter).
That said, I can tell you that DCS does not understand what FFB pedals are. I never knew for sure if it was because we have to use the X axis for the DIY pedals or not, but I saw a recent post in the HOTAS discord from a brunner user who said the exact thing I am telling you.
ED Can't even seem to get the 'microswitch' logic to work right for the in-game auto-trimming pedals on the MI24.. It might be difficult to even do it artificially outside of DCS (in TelemFFB) unless you had some sort of foot switch that knew when your feet were on the pedals (as it is in the real helicopter).
DGotcha, thanks for clarity on this, I did see the chat on brunner channel, but wasnt sure.
I do notice the pedals in DCS can move by themselves, this is why I thought it was getting some information or data from what the frame was doing, but maybe no API out output for that
I do notice the pedals in DCS can move by themselves, this is why I thought it was getting some information or data from what the frame was doing, but maybe no API out output for that
PWalmis this is awesome!!!! tbh I'd be happy to start with just having my pedals trim in the Huey etc. would make life a 'lil bit easier. Also be keen to see some other pedals get their kit too in time. What's the census on toe brakes having ffb?
TThat's so cool, definitively want one when you release it 