For pedals? No... The only FFB effects for pedals in DCS are the ones that have been added to Tele

For pedals? No... The only FFB effects for pedals in DCS are the ones that have been added to TelemFFB.. and today that is limited to all of the haptic effects (rumbles) and auto-switching between sprung for FW and un-sprung for Helo

Number481OP•11/1/23, 10:02 PM

DCS only understands 2 axes for FFB.. and if you aren't running TelemFFB and you don't 'sticky' your spring on your pedals.. the aileron trim will actually trim your pedal axis too (as will the re-centering of force-trim in a helicopter)

NNumber481 For pedals? No... The only FFB effects for pedals in DCS are the ones that hav...

ddrake1984•11/1/23, 10:41 PM

The pedals from memory in the hind auto move based on the autopilot settings and also when you increase/decrease collective etc, but I guess the visual and dynamic effects arent translated to FFB? Seems it should be easy if its just gathering the pedals position from the sim

ddrake1984•11/1/23, 10:43 PM

I refer to this article about pedal ffb also https://forum.dcs.world/topic/316879-pedals-trimmer-mode-no-setting-for-pedals-without-spring-or-ffb/

ED Forums

Pedals Trimmer mode - no setting for pedals without spring or FFB

I've been working with flying the Hind for a while now, and I got pretty good at flying it back when the pedals logic could be set to pedals without springs and FFB as I typically fly helicopters with my MFG xwinds with the spring off and the damper turned up. With the new microswitch logic set i...

Dddrake1984 The pedals from memory in the hind auto move based on the autopilot settings and...

Number481OP•11/1/23, 11:09 PM

I think the common misconception is what is meant by "Without Springs and FFB".. some people seem to think it means "Does not have springs and has FFB".. but I think it is just poor English and actually means "Does not have springs or FFB".

That said, I can tell you that DCS does not understand what FFB pedals are. I never knew for sure if it was because we have to use the X axis for the DIY pedals or not, but I saw a recent post in the HOTAS discord from a brunner user who said the exact thing I am telling you.

ED Can't even seem to get the 'microswitch' logic to work right for the in-game auto-trimming pedals on the MI24.. It might be difficult to even do it artificially outside of DCS (in TelemFFB) unless you had some sort of foot switch that knew when your feet were on the pedals (as it is in the real helicopter).

NNumber481 I think the common misconception is what is meant by "Without Springs **and** FF...

ddrake1984•11/1/23, 11:24 PM

Gotcha, thanks for clarity on this, I did see the chat on brunner channel, but wasnt sure.
I do notice the pedals in DCS can move by themselves, this is why I thought it was getting some information or data from what the frame was doing, but maybe no API out output for that

PiNKSH!T•11/2/23, 8:46 AM

Walmis this is awesome!!!! tbh I'd be happy to start with just having my pedals trim in the Huey etc. would make life a 'lil bit easier. Also be keen to see some other pedals get their kit too in time. What's the census on toe brakes having ffb?

Wwalmis https://imgur.com/a/27e6mWk

TheZoq2•11/2/23, 10:31 AM

That's so cool, definitively want one when you release it

Wwalmis https://imgur.com/a/27e6mWk

Anthony•11/2/23, 11:36 AM

What are the prospects of selling a kit tailored to different types of pedals? E.g. VPC pedals

AAnthony What are the prospects of selling a kit tailored to different types of pedals? E...

walmis•11/2/23, 12:14 PM

Unlikely in the short term. However there's the excellent @_gunzablazin 's Virpil ACE mod https://github.com/Number481/VirpilACE-VPForce-Mod

GitHub

GitHub - Number481/VirpilACE-VPForce-Mod: DIY VPForce 86BLF-03 kit ...

DIY VPForce 86BLF-03 kit mod for the Virpil ACE rudder pedals - GitHub - Number481/VirpilACE-VPForce-Mod: DIY VPForce 86BLF-03 kit mod for the Virpil ACE rudder pedals

Ssmitty about a week for me. ordered 10/24, arrived today (usa)

A. Palmetto•11/2/23, 1:10 PM

Oh okay yeah I ordered mine on the 25th and fedex is still waiting to receive the package that’s why I was wondering

smitty•11/2/23, 1:11 PM

yep same here, but it seems like once fedex has it, it's instantly transported

NN7783L Hey DIP, I think it does but boxes also spend a couple of days in customs or som...

A. Palmetto•11/2/23, 1:12 PM

Yeah I was just wondering cuz I press a day after smitty and FedEx says awaiting package so I wasn’t sure if another handler had it before FedEx or if the lable was just created on Monday and not dropped off yet. I know yesterday and today are holidays in LIT

N7783L•11/2/23, 1:19 PM

Don’t know the answer but that’s why I suspected customs was the initial couple of days. Like @smitty981 says, once FedEx got it, it was on my front porch in just a couple of days. Well-packed too.

PPiNKSH!T Walmis this is awesome!!!! tbh I'd be happy to start with just having my pedals ...

Number481OP•11/2/23, 1:24 PM

but the real Huey doesn't have pedal trim

AA. Palmetto Yeah I was just wondering cuz I press a day after smitty and FedEx says awaiting...

walmis•11/2/23, 1:25 PM

Yeah, there is an intermediate company (Omniva) that delivers to the FedEx hub in Kaunas, so there is a minimum of one day lag. I see your package was delivered on 31th, so right before the holiday, hence why it appears stuck.

Wwalmis Yeah, there is an intermediate company (Omniva) that delivers to the FedEx hub i...

A. Palmetto•11/2/23, 1:27 PM

Perrrfect thank you

NNumber481 but the *real* Huey doesn't have pedal trim 😅

PiNKSH!T•11/2/23, 1:37 PM

oh nice to know, cheers for the tip

Number481OP•11/2/23, 1:51 PM

I was being more of a smart ass than anything

The huey might be challenging since it doesn't have separate 'trim modes' for the cyclic and pedals (only 'enable rudder trimmer'), and with the trimmer mode set to work with FFB cyclic ('default') the pedals behave poorly.. when you release force trim, you get the 'double input' if you don't bring your pedals back to center.

That being said.. TelemFFB already disables spring force on the pedals when you enter a helicopter, so you don't even really need trim.. pedals will stay where you put them.

Number481OP•11/2/23, 1:52 PM

On helicopters with electric pedal trim.. there may be something to implement there.

AndyHill•11/2/23, 4:11 PM

Theoretically I could already disconnect the spring on the MFGs pretty easily when I fly helicopters, but I just can't be arsed to do it

AndyHill•11/2/23, 4:12 PM

having ffb pedals that automatically do that for me and provide completely sticktion free damping and resistance would be pretty awesome

Number481OP•11/2/23, 4:48 PM

Its easy enough on the VIrpils as well.. but I'm too old and lazy to be crawling under my desk to remove springs whenever I want to switch types.. plus the dampening with the motors is %100 better than any motorcycle steering dampener

I'm thinking abut a hydraulics loss effect, too (for pedals and cyclic), that would sure make things interesting

MashedPotato•11/2/23, 6:06 PM

Anyone had luck getting Virpil LEDs working on the rhino, or word about work on them?

Andrut•11/2/23, 7:01 PM

Hello,
Does anyone have ready-made settings for Rhino for DCS and Mi-24P and Mi-8MTV2? Preferably as realistic as possible.
I have limiter for 11 degrees.

MMashedPotato Anyone had luck getting Virpil LEDs working on the rhino, or word about work on ...

amadeus•11/2/23, 7:29 PM

they aren't supported atm. I did start a thread about it a while back, and walmis mentioned a lot of it is dependent on him reverse engineering an existing base

amadeus•11/2/23, 7:30 PM

here's the thread if interested: https://canary.discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1077499127614677045

MashedPotato•11/2/23, 7:51 PM

BA101•11/3/23, 12:46 AM

How much does rhino base cost

BBA101 How much does rhino base cost

TrigaNZ•11/3/23, 12:47 AM

FAQ

Dddrake1984 Also please please please consider ffb for other pedals @walmis

plehmann•11/3/23, 12:56 AM

yes !!!! Ive got a set of Slaw pedals and next to a yoke option ( cough @walmis chough) a slaw update kit would be a day 1 buy!!!!

Pplehmann yes !!!! Ive got a set of Slaw pedals and next to a yoke option ( cough @walmi...

ddrake1984•11/3/23, 12:56 AM

Agreed

plehmann•11/3/23, 12:57 AM

@walmis would be great to have an announcements channel for SW/HW additions to the family- thoughts team 'VPforce community' ?

FFlatSpin Sighs in Thrustmaster TPR

smitty•11/3/23, 1:40 AM

https://discord.com/channels/965234441511383080/1169811787856756756

HPLsCat•11/3/23, 1:50 AM

DCS modules don't really support FFB rudders beyond telemetry, correct? Doubly so if you have a FFB stick?

HHPLsCat DCS modules don't really support FFB rudders beyond telemetry, correct? Doubly s...

mechsicko•11/3/23, 2:54 AM

Depends on the module. Some have native DirectInput suport for FFB, others need to be extrapolated via telemetry

mechsicko•11/3/23, 2:54 AM

Wait I just saw you meant rudders.. nvmd

HHPLsCat DCS modules don't really support FFB rudders beyond telemetry, correct? Doubly s...

Number481OP•11/3/23, 3:30 AM

It doesn’t support them at all. It sends FFB data for the only two axes it knows to every FFB device that is connected. Which is actually worse than not supporting pedals at all.

Wwalmis Hey guys, presenting you my very compact design of the MFG pedals FFB conversion...

aniron•11/3/23, 7:46 AM

Is the VPforce FFB board saturated with axes in this setup?

Could the same board drive an FFB collective?

Aaniron Is the VPforce FFB board saturated with axes in this setup? Could the same boar...

walmis•11/3/23, 8:01 AM

No, only two FFB axis are supported

walmis•11/3/23, 8:02 AM

The other axes are auxiliary - from the grip, from the pot inputs

aniron•11/3/23, 8:02 AM

But the pedals would have only one FFB axis as would the collective, no?

aniron•11/3/23, 8:03 AM

And then two aux axes from the toe brakes.

walmis•11/3/23, 8:03 AM

ah, if you mean the same board to drive the pedals and collective - yes that's possible. But the software side.. would be awkward

aniron•11/3/23, 8:03 AM

Or is it problematic to combine two FFB controls into one device like that?

walmis•11/3/23, 8:03 AM

It's better to have separate devices for specific functions

aniron•11/3/23, 8:03 AM

Copy.

aniron•11/3/23, 8:05 AM

Conveniently I have just received complaints from my wife that the spring of my MFG Crosswinds is making too loud squeaky noises.

I know what I must do. ^^

VPforceBot•11/3/23, 9:45 AM

RHINO #0238 Has Shipped!

VPforceBot•11/3/23, 9:45 AM

RHINO #0239 Has Shipped!

Snubblaren•11/3/23, 5:41 PM

I've hade it for a week all is fine except today all the bindings went away and I couldn't use the Backup bindings. Think it's a DCS problem, but is there a way to prevent this to happen?