Another way to try is to unplug the Rhino and use https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.htm

Another way to try is to unplug the Rhino and use https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html utility to uninstall all instances of the Rhino device with VendorID: FFFF via the right click menu

NirSoft

View any installed/connected USB device on your system

USBDeview is a software that lists all USB devices that connected to your computer, and allows you disable, enable or uninstall them.

Wwalmis Another way to try is to unplug the Rhino and use https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/...

MashedPotato•11/17/23, 6:37 PM

That made the device not even show up in the webusb until I restarted, after restart, still no firmware displayed or axis output

walmisOP•11/17/23, 6:38 PM

Try the hack now

MashedPotato•11/17/23, 6:45 PM

still nothing in the portal

walmisOP•11/17/23, 6:47 PM

damn, interesting. Which windows btw? 10, 11 ?

MashedPotato•11/17/23, 6:48 PM

356thFS_Piranha•11/17/23, 11:28 PM

Help!

356thFS_Piranha•11/17/23, 11:29 PM

Motor fault encoder Magnet, Y

356thFS_Piranha•11/17/23, 11:31 PM

Reser now works

recoilfx•11/18/23, 7:27 PM

is there a way to use the pot as an axis? I only see the pots being able to mapped to gain and trim functions.

Number481•11/18/23, 7:57 PM

Can’t you just change the pot function to one of the surplus axes in configurator? Never actually tried it but I’ve seen the options in the pull-down.

NNumber481 Can’t you just change the pot function to one of the surplus axes in configurato...

recoilfx•11/18/23, 9:24 PM

I don't see it in the Pot Function drop down menu under settings. I only see gain functions and trim X and Y. Where are the surplus axes located?

recoilfx•11/18/23, 9:25 PM

Ok, I'm stupid.. lol.. I didn't see the scroll bar... Problem sovled

Poor Yurik•11/18/23, 11:04 PM

For some reason my Rhino is suddenly centering my stick in DCS when in helos. I've checked my settings (instant trimmer, recentering disabled in the vpforce control panel), not sure what I'm doing wrong. Is there something obvious I'm missing?

chkmgnt59•11/18/23, 11:17 PM

The winwing adapter has the plug so inset that the ww extension connector won't make contact. I figured I could take it apart and try and reseat the plug higher, but the screws stripped immediately. so.. i have a useless WW adapter

PPoor Yurik For some reason my Rhino is suddenly centering my stick in DCS when in helos. I'...

Number481•11/18/23, 11:38 PM

Can you describe more? Does force trim work at all? Does it happen with/without TelemFFB?

Cchkmgnt59 The winwing adapter has the plug so inset that the ww extension connector won't ...

A. Palmetto•11/19/23, 1:27 AM

Same, mine has two open pins.

NNumber481 Can you describe more? Does force trim work at all? Does it happen with/withou...

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:28 AM

Force trim works. It happens both with and without TelemFFB on.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:32 AM

When I hold my trim button in the black shark, it turns off the spring and acts as I'd expect (allows me to let go to set a new center, etc.), but once I do, the recentering tension returns.

Number481•11/19/23, 4:53 AM

Happen in all helis? Did you maybe enable the force trim override in configurator and accidentally bind the trim reset to the force trim button you have bound in DCS?

Shooting in the dark. Not seen that behavior before.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 5:50 AM

nope, only effect I have enabled in the vpforce cp right now is Hardware Force Trim

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 5:51 AM

I've only tried the shark so far. I'll try the Huey real quick

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 5:53 AM

Happening with the Huey and Hind too

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 5:56 AM

Could one of these settings be causing it?

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 5:57 AM

This is my Effects tab

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 6:10 AM

I'm running TelemFFB-wip-f71dbebb (just downloaded this update today), but it was also happening with two prior versions of TelemFFB that I've used.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 6:12 AM

My workaround right now is to turn the spring dial to zero (dead stick with no effects).

Cchkmgnt59 The winwing adapter has the plug so inset that the ww extension connector won't ...

walmisOP•11/19/23, 6:53 AM

You mean the 6 pin female socket is too inset on the adapter and you can't plug in the WW extension?

PPoor Yurik nope, only effect I have enabled in the vpforce cp right now is Hardware Force T...

hcee.•11/19/23, 9:55 AM

Turn off the VPforce force trim effect. DCS choppers (at least KA-50 and UH-H1) already implement ffb force trim.

hcee.•11/19/23, 9:57 AM

The VPforce setting is meant for sims / modules that don't have ffb.
Check Rhino manual page 68 for which module-specific settings you should have in place

PPoor Yurik My workaround right now is to turn the spring dial to zero (dead stick with no e...

Reed•11/19/23, 2:13 PM

Check and make sure you don’t have any double binds. Especially vr hand controllers. This can cause this issue. Double check this now and dcs updates can cause it to happen as they bring back those controller settings for some reason.

Hhcee.- The VPforce setting is meant for sims / modules that don't have ffb. - Check R...

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 3:50 PM

Hm I thought as long as "Override Trim" isn't enabled this wouldn't be an issue. I will try this today.

RReed Check and make sure you don’t have any double binds. Especially vr hand controll...

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 3:51 PM

Interesting. I will definitely look thru my binds today.

PPoor Yurik Hm I thought as long as "Override Trim" isn't enabled this wouldn't be an issue....

Number481•11/19/23, 4:05 PM

For DCS, those settings won't take effect unless Override is enabled, as you say. The only things I can think if is if something is triggering the DCS "trim reset" binding when you release the force trim button. Also make sure you have no curves set in DCS. Curves and FFB do not get along.

NNumber481 For DCS, those settings won't take effect unless Override is enabled, as you say...

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:20 PM

Here's the thing -- the re-centering is to the newly set center. So it's not continually retrimming.

Number481•11/19/23, 4:24 PM

I dont understand. You push and hold the trim release, the spring forces go away. You move the stick, release the trim button, the forces come back centered at the new position. That is normal behavior.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:27 PM

Imagine if you installed the center trim system from the black shark into a jet. That's how it acts. The center changes, but it constantly tries to return to that center instead of acting like a cyclic.

Number481•11/19/23, 4:31 PM

I guess I'm being thick and still dont understand. 'return to center', to me, means where the stick will settle whenyou let go.. that is the 'center of spring force'. Force trim, by its very nature, changes the center of the spring force to be wherever you want the trimmed position to be.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:31 PM

So I trim, the center changes. I pitch forward and take my hand off the stick and it snaps back to that center, rather than using that center as the new point of reference but acting like a cyclic where it stays where I leave it

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:34 PM

Maybe I'm not understanding how things should work. Here's what I thought: a helo's cyclic felt like a dead stick in terms of angle. Trimming simply sets a new center reference point. The force I should feel is aerodynamic effects (shudder, resistance, etc) and things like gunfire rumble and landing touchdowns.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:35 PM

I.e. no snap-to-center effect

Number481•11/19/23, 4:36 PM

Helicopters have a magnetic brake that holds the cyclic in a given position. This magnetic brake has springs with a a certain amount of range that you can fight against, but the cyclic will return to that position where the brake is holding it. If you want to move the resting (trimmed) position of the cyclic, you push and hold the force trim button, which disengages to magnetic brake and you are now free to move the cyclic wherever you want. When you release the button, the brake re-engages.

This is simulated in DCS by removing the spring force when you push and hold the trim button. When you release the button, it recalculates the new spring center point and re-applies the spring.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:38 PM

Interesting

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:40 PM

Doing a big think right now. This sounds like I've just been having a total misunderstanding of helos now that I've translated from non-ffb to the Rhino. Pre-Rhino I bought a cm3 base to get "dead stick" because that's how I understood people explaining a cyclic's behavior.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:42 PM

Now I wish the Mongoose stick's thumb hat was a button instead. Too easy to move the hat in an unintended way rather than triggering a click on it.

Number481•11/19/23, 4:43 PM

The cyclic will, indeed, 'stay where you put it'.. its just that in a real helo, in order to 'put it', you user the force trim button to set where the mag-brake is holding the cyclic.

In a UH-1, with the force trim switch off (the only heli I know where you can disable the system).. the cyclic will not "purposefully " stay where you put it. You don't take your hand off the cyclic with force-trim disabled in the UH-1

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:44 PM

Maybe I need to bind my trim to one of the hat directions, like right so I squeeze it into the stick. Hm. Will experiment.

Number481•11/19/23, 4:44 PM

The closest approximation you can get without FFB is a joystick base with a friction clutch.

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:45 PM

I get it now. Thank you so much for explaining it in context of how it works irl.

Number481•11/19/23, 4:45 PM

I don't know what grip you have, but the thumb switch is a common button for the trim release (I see you said now)

Poor Yurik•11/19/23, 4:45 PM

I have this one: https://virpil-controls.us.com/vpc-mongoost-50cm2-grip.html

VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip

★ Cyrillic Button Labels
★ Based on Modern Russian Fighter Jet Controls
★ Material - Enhanced PU Plastic Construction
★ Wide Variety of Buttons, Triggers and Hats
★ Analogue Brake Lever

Due to the height of the grip, it is best suited for desk mounted/cockpit setups.

Another way to try is to unplug the Rhino and use https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.htm

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